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| [09:02:56] | <evered[m]> | Yay team!!! |
| [09:03:16] | <evered[m]> | Good morning left coast of the USA |
| [09:17:25] | <toino[m]> | Hello everyone, I installed farm a year ago and tried it for a bit just on my own but I was never able to proxy it using the nginx proxy manager I already had installed in my server, from what I found I had to change some config somewhere but I never ended up figuring it out.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/0b302b0227...) |
| [09:17:41] | <toino[m]> | s/farm/Farmos/ |
| [09:18:26] | <mstenta[m]> | toino: You could try searching for "Drupal behind Nginx proxy" for more generic tutorials |
| [09:18:39] | <mstenta[m]> | farmOS is just a distribution of Drupal, so all the same considerations apply |
| [09:26:54] | <toino[m]> | <mstenta[m]> "toino: You could try searching..." <- Thanks, I remembered, the problem I was having was I couldn't find the settings.php file to make the changes, it was a while ago and I was a complete noob using docker. |
| [09:26:54] | <toino[m]> | Going to try installing it again this week when I have time. |
| [09:28:33] | <mstenta[m]> | Cool! Well feel free to check back in and ask questions as you're getting into it again :-) |
| [11:04:31] | <lordeddi[m]> | Hi, will be missing this dev-call, i'm way too busy. Hope to be back soon! keep up the great work. |
| [11:09:11] | <mstenta[m]> | Sounds good lordeddi - see you another time! :-) |
| [11:55:08] | <mstenta[m]> | Dev call in ~5 minutes - all are welcome! https://meet.jit.si/farmos-dev |
| [13:17:07] | <mstenta[m]> | After the discussion on the dev call, I'm leaning towards maybe making the comment module in contrib instead of core as a first step |
| [13:17:22] | <mstenta[m]> | Curious your thoughts symbioquine because you expressed interest in it earlier |
| [13:17:41] | <mstenta[m]> | The main motivation for working on it was because Rothamsted wanted comments in their experiment plans |
| [13:17:51] | <mstenta[m]> | But they may not necessarily need/want them on assets/logs |
| [13:18:06] | <mstenta[m]> | So it might make more sense to just implement their stuff independently |
| [13:18:20] | <mstenta[m]> | And give it more thought for assets/logs in core |
| [13:22:10] | <symbioquine[m]> | mstenta[m]: Makes sense to me |
| [13:22:25] | <symbioquine[m]> | I think the main use-case for us would be on logs since on assets you can always make an observation log and put the comments in the notes... |
| [13:23:36] | <mstenta[m]> | And is the main usefulness of comments on logs the fact that you can capture the author nor granularly? |
| [14:00:58] | <symbioquine[m]> | I think time/author are pretty useful |
| [14:02:29] | <symbioquine[m]> | e.g. a log created for planning purposes that we later make some notes about - if those notes go into the log's notes field, then you'd have to look at the revisions to figure out who did it and what was added/changed/removed |
| [14:03:17] | <symbioquine[m]> | comments could provide a pretty well understood mechanism for purely adding information chronologically to a log |
| [14:04:20] | <symbioquine[m]> | It also has clearer semantics for concurrent contributions from multiple people |
| [14:04:38] | <symbioquine[m]> | i.e. two people can't edit a log at the same time, but there's not problem with two people posting comments at the same time |
| [14:05:13] | <paul121[m]> | (maybe we need a "quick log" UI, similar to comment UI, for quickly making observation logs for an asset) |
| [14:05:14] | <symbioquine[m]> | s/not/no/ |
| [14:05:15] | <symbioquine[m]> | * i.e. two people can't edit a log at the same time, but there's no problem with two people posting comments at the same time (presumably) |
| [14:05:42] | <symbioquine[m]> | And showing them inline somehow? |
| [14:05:51] | <paul121[m]> | is there not any use-case for comments on an asset? |
| [14:06:40] | <paul121[m]> | I feel like you might ask a "question" about the tractor, leave a comment, and keep the history there |
| [14:07:29] | <symbioquine[m]> | Yeah, but the expectations about the life-cycle of such comments isn't very clear... |
| [14:07:52] | <symbioquine[m]> | How long is that question useful? Will it show up for the whole time the tractor exists? |
| [14:08:50] | <mstenta[m]> | Maybe allowing for comments to be "archived" or something... which just collapses them in the UI |
| [14:08:57] | <mstenta[m]> | Similar to Github issues |
| [14:09:13] | <mstenta[m]> | Or PR reviews I mean |
| [14:10:18] | <mstenta[m]> | I think its important to frame comments as useful for *discussions*, not management data |
| [14:17:50] | <mstenta[m]> | > After the discussion on the dev call, I'm leaning towards maybe making the comment module in contrib instead of core as a first step |
| [14:17:50] | <mstenta[m]> | Another option is add it to core, but don't "open" comments on all assets and logs by default. We could add configuration for the default (eg: allow admin to say "sure open comments on all assets/logs by default"). And either way they can be opened/closed on individual assets/logs |
| [14:18:29] | <mstenta[m]> | Could even make it configurable on a per-bundle basis |
| [14:18:30] | <mstenta[m]> | So you could open comments on all activity logs by default, but not harvest... or whatever you want |
| [14:19:01] | <mstenta[m]> | that would be sort of a "soft enable" strategy... |
| [14:19:06] | <symbioquine[m]> | How would that look from the API? |
| [14:19:25] | <mstenta[m]> | so eg: Rothamsted (who wants comments but doesn't necessarily want them on assets/logs) can add them to their own entity types |
| [14:20:10] | <mstenta[m]> | from the API, basically every asset and log will have a new comment base field on them, which is either 0 (hidden), 1 (comments closed), or 2 (comments open) |
| [14:20:35] | <mstenta[m]> | my branch currently just sets the default to 2 for assets and logs |
| [14:20:41] | <mstenta[m]> | (open comments as soon as you enable the module) |
| [14:20:54] | <mstenta[m]> | but we could make that more nuanced, is what i'm saying |
| [14:21:31] | <symbioquine[m]> | mstenta[m]: Beautiful |
| [14:21:48] | <symbioquine[m]> | ... and I assume you then query comment entities if you want to see the existing comments? |
| [14:21:51] | <mstenta[m]> | that's just the core Drupal comment module behavior basically |
| [14:22:03] | <mstenta[m]> | yes exactly. comments are their own entity |
| [14:22:24] | <mstenta[m]> | i assume the comment entity references the entity they are attached to |
| [14:22:30] | <mstenta[m]> | but i haven't looked at that closely |
| [14:23:06] | <paul121[m]> | it's a reverse entity reference, yea? |
| [14:26:02] | <mstenta[m]> | https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/blob/10.1.x/core/modules/com... |
| [14:26:16] | <mstenta[m]> | looks like just a normal entity reference field on the comment, pointed to the entity |
| [14:27:46] | <mstenta[m]> | Opened a draft PR: https://github.com/farmOS/farmOS/pull/668 |
| [14:27:54] | <paul121[m]> | oh right. but in the context of our entities it is reverse :-) |
| [14:27:54] | <mstenta[m]> | This is VERY mvp |
| [14:28:23] | <mstenta[m]> | paul121: works basically the same way logs do... they reference assets :-) |
| [14:30:31] | <paul121[m]> | yeaaa I just think of "comments being apart of asset" much more than "log being a part of asset" |
| [14:30:42] | <mstenta[m]> | right yea that's true... |
| [14:30:47] | <mstenta[m]> | and a log can reference multiple assets |
| [14:30:51] | <paul121[m]> | but it makes sense, I think it is better in this case |
| [14:30:51] | <mstenta[m]> | so not exactly the same thing |
| [14:32:03] | <paul121[m]> | this starts to get into where our data model maybe includes "application specific" things that wouldn't be a part of a larger "standard data model". so in that regard it's nice & cleaner that comments are as nested inside the `relationships` |
| [14:32:28] | <mstenta[m]> | are they? |
| [14:32:59] | <mstenta[m]> | i haven't looked at that |
| [14:33:15] | <mstenta[m]> | there is a comment in attributes which is just whether or not comments are enabled |
| [14:33:15] | <paul121[m]> | oh |
| [14:33:15] | <mstenta[m]> | not sure about relationships... |
| [14:33:16] | <paul121[m]> | I was assuming |
| [14:33:28] | <paul121[m]> | I would be surprised. Because that would be another field |
| [14:48:47] | <mstenta[m]> | > > After the discussion on the dev call, I'm leaning towards maybe making the comment module in contrib instead of core as a first step |
| [14:48:47] | <mstenta[m]> | > |
| [14:48:47] | <mstenta[m]> | > Another option is add it to core, but don't "open" comments on all assets and logs by default. We could add configuration for the default (eg: allow admin to say "sure open comments on all assets/logs by default"). And either way they can be opened/closed on individual assets/logs |
| [14:48:47] | <mstenta[m]> | Quick sketch of what I meant by this: |
| [14:48:56] | <mstenta[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: (125KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/sbjCMuBtyNw... > |
| [14:50:00] | <mstenta[m]> | And maybe they are all unchecked by default. So enabling the farm_comment module wouldn't actually change anything in the UI by default. Then an admin could change the default behavior on a per-type basis using this form OR users could open comments on individual assets/logs as desired. |
| [15:35:26] | <mstenta[m]> | Hmm actually that may be more complicated than it's worth... |
| [15:41:33] | <mstenta[m]> | This is doable though: |
| [15:41:41] | <mstenta[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: (85KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/xSDhFzSKEmD... > |
| [15:41:55] | <mstenta[m]> | (needs some word-smithing... but you get the idea) |
| [15:43:22] | <mstenta[m]> | Hmm although it will require a cache rebuild on save... 🤔 |
| [15:44:10] | <toino[m]> | Happy to report back i got the reverse proxy working within 15 minutes with the help of chatgpt, way better at showing me only what is needed to do. |
| [15:44:10] | <toino[m]> | Any downsides to using the SQLite DB instead of the Postgres one? |
| [15:44:21] | <mstenta[m]> | haha awesome toino |
| [15:45:25] | <mstenta[m]> | I haven't used SQLite db backend much myself, so I'm not really sure. Probably some performance differences, but I don't know how noticeable that will be. |
| [15:45:28] | <toino[m]> | One more thing any way to import cattle with excel/csv files? |
| [15:45:47] | <mstenta[m]> | Not via the UI, but you could build a CSV importer Python script |
| [15:45:54] | <mstenta[m]> | https://farmos.org/blog/2023/quick-intro-to-python-scripting |
| [15:46:07] | <toino[m]> | mstenta[m]: Way above my pay grade😂 |
| [15:46:24] | <mstenta[m]> | this example sounds like what you're looking for: https://farmos.org/blog/2023/quick-intro-to-python-scripting#importing-data |
| [15:46:31] | <toino[m]> | Thanks anyway, just testing/having fun |
| [15:47:06] | <mstenta[m]> | I'd love to offer some flexible CSV importers in the UI eventually... we had those in farmOS v1, but it's a big dev effort to do it right |
| [15:47:16] | <toino[m]> | mstenta[m]: Well now that looks doable with my pay grade |
| [15:47:49] | <mstenta[m]> | Awesome! Just make sure you test it thoroughly on a non-production database first |
| [15:47:58] | <toino[m]> | I wanted to ask another thing but i forgot |
| [15:48:02] | <mstenta[m]> | Spin up two instances and use one for testing |
| [15:48:39] | <toino[m]> | This is nothing critical so no problem with it, if it brake i will reinstall it again. |
| [15:49:40] | <FarmerEd[m]> | I've some Node-Red flows for importing cattle from CSV if you want to explore that. |
| [15:49:57] | <toino[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: (60KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/hCcnqxhbPyJ... > |
| [15:49:59] | <toino[m]> | Just remembered i noticed the PT-pt translation is only at 97% and the main Tabs are all still in english is this something that can't be changed or do you just needs someone that can translate stuff? |
| [15:50:54] | <toino[m]> | Im not the best with english as you can see by my typing but still good enought to translate it to Portguese on my free time |
| [15:52:22] | <toino[m]> | FarmerEd[m]: Never used Node-Red but i think i heard about it, is it the visual programming thing for IOT or am i mistaken? |
| [15:54:15] | <mstenta[m]> | > Just remembered i noticed the PT-pt translation is only at 97% and the main Tabs are all still in english is this something that can't be changed or do you just needs someone that can translate stuff? |
| [15:54:15] | <mstenta[m]> | we'd love help with translations! |
| [15:54:30] | <mstenta[m]> | it's essentially a process of contributing translations to localize.drupal.org |
| [15:54:47] | <mstenta[m]> | so it doesn't actually require any work from the core farmOS maintainers |
| [15:55:21] | <mstenta[m]> | but it does require work from you to make a user account on localize.drupal.org, join the group for your language, contribute translations, and get them approved by an admin of that language group |
| [15:55:35] | <mstenta[m]> | but once that happens, they will download automatically into any instance that uses that language |
| [15:56:15] | <toino[m]> | mstenta[m]: Thats not that bad, only problem is that website doesn't load |
| [15:56:32] | <toino[m]> | it took a while |
| [15:56:37] | <mstenta[m]> | https://localize.drupal.org/translate/languages/pt-pt/translate?project=... |
| [15:57:39] | <FarmerEd[m]> | <toino[m]> "Never used Node-Red but i..." <- Yes, a visual/ low code programing thing commonly used for IOT but also useful for interacting with API's |
| [15:57:46] | <mstenta[m]> | doing it through the localize.drupal.org site is a little more direct... but there's a LOT of strings in there... so might be worth jumping back and forth between that and your instance and searching for the strings that are most important to you |
| [15:58:23] | <mstenta[m]> | there's also modules you can use to translate directly in the farmOS UI... but i don't have much experience with that, and i don't have a great understanding of the flow to localize.drupal.org |
| [15:58:38] | <toino[m]> | Just noticed that some translations were right but later overwriten with english text, do you know why? |
| [15:58:39] | <toino[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/kAyTgtNOFiS... > |
| [15:58:45] | <mstenta[m]> | anything you do in your instance only benefits you... so i always try to encouraging helping the wider community when possible :-) |
| [15:59:35] | <mstenta[m]> | i don't know - i'm not entirely familiar with the process on localize.drupal.org |
| [16:00:28] | <mstenta[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: (19KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/lzLcMbbnpkc... > |
| [16:00:59] | <mstenta[m]> | looks like ricardoamaro did that... |
| [16:01:00] | <mstenta[m]> | on 2/24/2023 |
| [16:01:03] | <mstenta[m]> | demoted the correct one and imported+approved the english one... |
| [16:02:41] | <mstenta[m]> | if you want to pursue it, i would ask in Drupal Slack #multilingual channel https://app.slack.com/client/T06GX3JTS/C55J600UX |
| [16:02:48] | <toino[m]> | mstenta[m]: It makes no sense, translations are supposed to help those who can't understand english, why change something in Portuguese to English |
| [16:03:36] | <mstenta[m]> | localize.drupal.org is a volunteer effort... someone probably made ricardoamaro and admin and then they did that... which was wrong |
| [16:03:36] | <mstenta[m]> | maybe you can ask to be an admin and fix it |
| [16:03:40] | <toino[m]> | mstenta[m]: Will do for sure, even if i only do the main stuff it will help someone for sure |
| [16:04:06] | <mstenta[m]> | i'm not sure what the process of becoming and admin is... you probably need to prove that you aren't a malicious actor somehow... |
| [16:04:28] | <toino[m]> | Trust me bro rule 😂 |
| [16:04:56] | <mstenta[m]> | i remember another farmOS user helped translate to german... they basically submitted a bunch of translations, and then opened an issue for a german admin to review them - and it went pretty smoothly! |
| [16:05:02] | <toino[m]> | Probably need to translate a couple of stuff correctly before giving me admin |
| [16:05:05] | <mstenta[m]> | i'll see if i can find that issue so you can see what it looked like |
| [16:05:54] | <mstenta[m]> | https://www.drupal.org/project/de/issues/3261927 |
| [16:07:41] | <toino[m]> | Thanks i will check it later. |
| [16:18:11] | <toino[m]> | Any known reason why i can login without any problems on the website but when I try it in the field kit farmos.app i get a error Request failed with status code 500× |
| [16:18:30] | <mstenta[m]> | couple of things... |
| [16:18:41] | <mstenta[m]> | you need to enable the field kit module in farmOS |
| [16:19:12] | <mstenta[m]> | but more broadly... field kit is still in development and there aren't any field modules included yet |
| [16:19:22] | <mstenta[m]> | so you're in experimental territory :-) |
| [16:19:57] | <toino[m]> | field kit module enabled i think, atleast i enabled it in the inicial setup |
| [16:21:55] | <mstenta[m]> | ah ok - maybe you need SSL? i forget - it's been a long time since i helped with field kit testing |
| [16:22:28] | <mstenta[m]> | status code 500 is a good clue though |
| [16:22:39] | <toino[m]> | Already using ssl and https |
| [16:22:39] | <mstenta[m]> | usually those get logged in /admin/reports/dblog |
| [16:22:43] | <mstenta[m]> | so you might get more detail there |
| [17:49:31] | <mstenta[m]> | symbioquine: new idea... talking with paul121 about comments... |
| [17:51:03] | <mstenta[m]> | we make two main modules (and one lower-level dependency module): "Asset comments" (`farm_comment_asset`) and "Log comments" (`farm_comment_log`) which depend on `farm_comment` (provides helpers and general comment glue stuff) |
| [17:51:21] | <mstenta[m]> | this way, users would choose whether to enable comments on Assets, Logs, or both by enabling either/both module |
| [17:52:07] | <mstenta[m]> | and other modules (like Rothamsted) could enable comments on their own entity types using the same helpers from farm_comment (without necessarily enabling them on assets/logs) |
| [17:52:24] | <mstenta[m]> | seems like the easiest way to juggle these things |
