| [20:01:06] | <Snork> | Hey andygraybeal ... it sounds like the farmos installs might be a little more complicated than I had hoped. |
| [20:01:14] | <Snork> | Did you get yours working? |
| [20:01:48] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. but in ubuntu 14.04 not yet in 12.04 ... but i give up on 12.04 and i'm thinking about migrating.. i just have to move a bunch of websites and data and shit... |
| [20:02:28] | <andygraybeal> | it shouldn't matter what OS ... i don't think as long as apache, php and drupal are proper.. which i think they are... |
| [20:02:31] | <Snork> | Heh... sounds like my dreams of doing it on Windows are probably going to stay dreams eh? :-) |
| [20:02:47] | <andygraybeal> | i don't know anything about windows. why not use ubuntu? |
| [20:03:03] | <Snork> | I hate sudo. |
| [20:03:09] | <andygraybeal> | what is wrong with sudo? |
| [20:03:26] | <Snork> | Oh, that's an argume... I mean discussion for another day. LAWL! |
| [20:03:41] | <andygraybeal> | it's just here to keep you from making mistakes. |
| [20:03:54] | <andygraybeal> | it's easy enough to be in the habit of using |
| [20:04:13] | <andygraybeal> | makes you thikn a bit before you do things.. it's a bad habit to always run as root |
| [20:04:28] | <andygraybeal> | i used to do it in the late 90s and early 2000s |
| [20:04:29] | <Snork> | I know that with sudo, people fall in to one of three categories: (1) like it (2) hate it and (3) indifferent/don't know - and it is pretty rare that anyone switches from any group to any other. |
| [20:04:52] | <andygraybeal> | i didn't know people could hate sudo |
| [20:05:14] | <andygraybeal> | you can choose to not use it and use root |
| [20:05:21] | <andygraybeal> | it's just not recommended |
| [20:05:47] | <Snork> | I have run so many OS's as admin users for so many years and never once have I ever thought "Boy, if I had been logged in as a non-privilaged account I wouldn't have fucked that up". There are some things that also simply don't work as root. eg: try installing VLC as root. |
| [20:06:23] | <andygraybeal> | i think your discussion is a bit pointless honestly |
| [20:06:39] | <Snork> | I know a lot of people get pretty bent about it... actually use Debian when I use Linux since it allows me to use root as a regular login. |
| [20:07:01] | <andygraybeal> | well.. then.. why not debian? why windows? |
| [20:07:48] | <andygraybeal> | i didn't mean ubuntu specifically.. i wish i hadn't said it now.. i meant why not use linux? why are you using windows? |
| [20:08:01] | <Snork> | Oh don't get me wrong, I think Linux is the better server platform, but there is no reasonable mail server solution for that platform so I have to run a Windows server whether I want to or not. :-( |
| [20:08:23] | <andygraybeal> | yes, see i see nothing wrong with postfix and i like the modularity |
| [20:09:40] | <Snork> | Hmmm... like what modularity specifically? You mean the ability to include or not include things like amavis or spamassassin or webmail or whatever? |
| [20:10:08] | <andygraybeal> | well last we spoke about it you wanted a monolithic type mail server.. and postfix is the opposite of that |
| [20:11:25] | <Snork> | I can't really say that hMailServer is monolithic... it does use MySQL (or other databases) and I use SpamAssassin separately though it has it's own [limited] spam detection. |
| [20:30:09] | <andygraybeal> | i'm happy i learned of vagrant today |
| [20:30:17] | <andygraybeal> | that is cool stuff |
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| [09:29:47] | <mstenta> | hey y'all |
| [09:29:52] | <mstenta> | hi andygraybeal |
| [10:52:47] | <andygraybeal> | greeetings |
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