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| [06:54:16] | <andygraybeal> | heya heya |
| [06:54:22] | <andygraybeal> | greetings farmBOT |
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| [07:46:49] | <andygraybeal> | thank you for making farmos! |
| [07:47:07] | <andygraybeal> | i've tried out some drupal farm and csa stuff before |
| [07:47:12] | <andygraybeal> | i'm looking forward to trying this out |
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| [08:52:17] | <mstenta> | Hi andygraybeal! |
| [08:52:36] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: log pointer? |
| [08:52:36] | <farmBOT> | http://farmos.org/bot/log/farmos/2014-12-12#T225 |
| [08:55:39] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: the CSA stuff in farmOS is still very beta... not many people using it yet... one farm is using it as their main CSA software, but they are also using QB and Excel. I'm working with them to define the parts that should be built next... |
| [08:56:25] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I'd love to see more folks trying it though... and helping build it! Are you a Drupal dev, perchance? |
| [09:42:40] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, hi hi hi |
| [09:42:47] | <andygraybeal> | i had to run to the vet |
| [09:43:29] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, i'm not a drupal dev.. i'm an end user. i can run servers and get shit setup and put parts together. i cannot develop the parts. |
| [09:44:23] | <andygraybeal> | i noticed your presenting at the mofga or whatevs.. dan ketridge is my hero |
| [09:44:32] | <andygraybeal> | among other people |
| [09:46:23] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i've used cutefarm, cropplanning and agrosense |
| [09:48:58] | <andygraybeal> | and then some drupal stuff i've found for csa |
| [09:49:11] | <andygraybeal> | i can't remember who or what it was. |
| [09:49:36] | <andygraybeal> | https://groups.drupal.org/drupal-csa <-- this maybe |
| [09:50:21] | <andygraybeal> | the csa i had been around had 150 members throughout the summer and winter |
| [09:55:43] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: hi! (catching up) |
| [09:56:12] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [09:56:25] | <andygraybeal> | aah i posted to that page july 23 2013!!! |
| [09:56:27] | <mstenta> | yea, I'm giving a talk at the NOFA Mass Winter Conference on Jan 10 |
| [09:56:43] | <mstenta> | I think I posted on that group a little while back too |
| [09:56:48] | <andygraybeal> | you posted to that page aug 24 2014!! |
| [09:56:54] | <mstenta> | Haha one year later |
| [09:57:17] | <andygraybeal> | yes, good luck with the conference! i see dan kettridge will be there too |
| [09:57:31] | <andygraybeal> | i don't know if you are interested, but he's worth a listen to. |
| [09:57:49] | <andygraybeal> | the guys in my area love kettridge |
| [09:58:43] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gonna fire up a new host and install this :) |
| [09:59:31] | <andygraybeal> | i'm happy you are on irc too |
| [10:00:06] | <andygraybeal> | there is #permaculture on here. cool people over there too |
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| [10:01:32] | <andygraybeal> | hi Snork_ !! |
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| [10:01:59] | <Snork> | Hey andygraybeal I just saw your reference to this in perma :-) |
| [10:02:03] | <andygraybeal> | :) |
| [10:02:08] | <andygraybeal> | i |
| [10:02:12] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gona install it now |
| [10:02:22] | <Snork> | I guess I gotta go surf on over and see what it is about. |
| [10:06:49] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, I will check out Dan Kettridge if we don't overlap at the conference :-) |
| [10:07:15] | <mstenta> | hi Snork :-) welcome to #farmOS |
| [10:08:51] | <Snork> | Hey mstenta I'm just reading up on what it is right now. andygraybeal dropped a link in #permaculture. |
| [10:08:54] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, are you out of connecticut now? |
| [10:09:47] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yep, I live in eastern CT |
| [10:09:50] | <Snork> | I got a little confused when Wikipedia told me "Farmos is a village in the range of Nagykáta, Pest county, Hungary" |
| [10:09:53] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: you? |
| [10:09:55] | <andygraybeal> | cool, i live in southeastern ohio |
| [10:10:04] | <mstenta> | Snork: haha yea... it's also a town in Hungary |
| [10:11:29] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, let me know if you need any help installing |
| [10:11:42] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, i haven't had a chance to fire it up yet (still waiting on name server stuff) -- but i'm wondering can i track different compost piles with this? |
| [10:11:59] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: not yet... but you could build it |
| [10:12:04] | <andygraybeal> | have you looked at cutefarm? |
| [10:12:08] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: are you familiar with the Features module? |
| [10:12:14] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: no, never heard of cutefarm |
| [10:12:19] | <andygraybeal> | i'm not familiar with the features module |
| [10:12:35] | <andygraybeal> | i don't know if it is worth your time or not, but cutefarm was the coolest thing :) |
| [10:12:47] | <andygraybeal> | i will read about the features module |
| [10:14:37] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: "was" the coolest thing? is it no longer? |
| [10:14:46] | <mstenta> | all the links seem to be broken, has the project dissolved? |
| [10:14:48] | <andygraybeal> | i'm assuming yours is more cool :) |
| [10:15:04] | <andygraybeal> | i think sourceforge is under maintenance or something |
| [10:15:11] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: the Features module basically allows you to build Drupal modules right in the Drupal UI |
| [10:15:33] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: by packaging up pieces of configuration (entity types, fields, variables, Views, Rules, etc) |
| [10:15:41] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: most of farmOS is built with Features |
| [10:15:41] | <andygraybeal> | ah interesting |
| [10:15:46] | <andygraybeal> | ah very cool |
| [10:15:49] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: which means that non-developers can work on it too |
| [10:15:56] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: almost everything is editable via the UI |
| [10:15:57] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i get where your going |
| [10:16:00] | <andygraybeal> | that is nice |
| [10:16:06] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: including the UI itself ;-) |
| [10:16:12] | <andygraybeal> | we will need to meet!! |
| [10:16:17] | <andygraybeal> | you can hold my hand and things! |
| [10:16:35] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [10:16:37] | <rjsteinert> | hi all |
| [10:16:42] | <mstenta> | hi rjsteinert! |
| [10:16:42] | <andygraybeal> | i will get it installed and all this and play with it. i'm excited |
| [10:16:55] | <andygraybeal> | cutefarm was the closest thing i could come up with records management |
| [10:16:58] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool... don't get too excited... ;-) |
| [10:17:12] | <andygraybeal> | i was in charge of irrigation, pest control and compost piles in my last job |
| [10:17:14] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it's awesome, don't get me wrong.... but it's still pretty early... so it doesn't do a while lot |
| [10:17:21] | <mstenta> | whole* |
| [10:17:48] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool! yea, so with farmOS, we can build all kinds of recordkeeping systems |
| [10:17:55] | <Snork> | Hey andygraybeal you know you can just use your hosts file to get around waiting for DNS propagation right? |
| [10:17:57] | <andygraybeal> | well.. i understand. cutefarm was not exactly perfect either.. |
| [10:17:57] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it basically has the concept of Farm Assets, and Log types |
| [10:18:02] | <Snork> | Just sayin'... |
| [10:18:05] | <andygraybeal> | Snork, yes, i'm lazy |
| [10:18:09] | <andygraybeal> | Snork, but thank you |
| [10:18:17] | <Snork> | Heh. :-) |
| [10:18:35] | <rjsteinert> | @mstenta Are the downloadble builds from Drupal.org working? |
| [10:18:55] | <rjsteinert> | As in, has anyone tried installing from one of those builds? |
| [10:19:12] | <rjsteinert> | I've only installed it using a build I made with `drush make` |
| [10:19:13] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: i haven't... theoretically they are working |
| [10:19:21] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: same here (drush make) |
| [10:19:46] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: the tricky part with the automated builds right now is they only regenerate when you add a commit to the "farm" project... which is rare |
| [10:20:06] | <mstenta> | I am updating all of the farm_* modules much more frequently... but that doesn't trigger updates to the distribution, as far as I know |
| [10:20:32] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: so no... my bet would be that the packaged build is outdated... and maybe even broken |
| [10:20:51] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: once I start tagging real releases that will fix itself |
| [10:21:00] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: everything is still in dev status right now |
| [10:21:39] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: i should probably say that somewhere... or turn off the distribution package for now... until i'm sure it's up-to-date |
| [10:21:51] | <rjsteinert> | Cool. I've been meaning to play around with Drupal and Docker, I might make a Farm OS docker image this weekend if I find time. |
| [10:22:09] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: awesome, i'm curious about Docker too... never worked with it |
| [10:22:26] | <rjsteinert> | Trying out the automated Drupal.org build would be a good opportunity to see if those are working |
| [10:23:18] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: yea............ but it's probably not :-/ |
| [10:23:21] | <rjsteinert> | Dogi and I have a server where we are running around 8 CouchDBs on the same machine with a reverse proxy in node.js on port 80 that is handling name resolution |
| [10:23:41] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: whoa |
| [10:24:14] | <rjsteinert> | The reverse proxy acts kind of like vhosts in apache |
| [10:24:27] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: interesting... what is it being used for? |
| [10:24:56] | <rjsteinert> | You make an entry in the reverse proxy and then a name will resolve to port 80 but it's actually resolving to a specific port number on the machine, each docker container is assigned to a specific port number |
| [10:25:29] | <rjsteinert> | It's being used for Nations in the Open Learning Exchange network |
| [10:25:49] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, have you checked out 'cropplanning' also? you type in all your seeds, the time for germination, transplanting, cultivating, harvesting.. etc |
| [10:26:15] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: hmm cooooool |
| [10:26:16] | <rjsteinert> | @andygraybeal @Snork That exciting you guys are thinking about trying out Farm OS |
| [10:26:22] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i have heard of it, but i haven't tried it |
| [10:26:39] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: where did you hear about farmOS? |
| [10:26:41] | <andygraybeal> | yea, it makes your calender for you |
| [10:26:44] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: on Farm Hack? |
| [10:26:58] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, yes on Farm Hack |
| [10:27:09] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, that's basically what farmOS will do... it's sort of the next step for the Farm Crop module: build a planning piece |
| [10:27:27] | <andygraybeal> | but i'm periodically looking for this kind of app.. so i would have ran across it just like the drupal-csa project |
| [10:27:40] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: farmOS already has the data architecture for crops and plantings, and for the seeding, transplanting, harvest, etc log types |
| [10:27:45] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, nice |
| [10:27:58] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: but it doesn't have any auto-generation features yet... that's what the crop planning module will do |
| [10:28:07] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i hated using cropplanning for my plans and then using cutefarm for my logs |
| [10:28:41] | <andygraybeal> | i talked to both developers but they weren't into working together to make it cohesive. |
| [10:28:42] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: the idea is that you would enter info about the crops you want to grow, and logs would be autogenerated (in the future)... for all your seedings, transplantings, harvest, etc |
| [10:28:56] | <andygraybeal> | nice. |
| [10:29:01] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yea, I think web-based in the best approach anyway |
| [10:29:16] | <andygraybeal> | cutefarm had a googlemaps "export" so we could look at the googlemaps |
| [10:29:31] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: huh. so you couldn't look at maps in the app itself? |
| [10:29:37] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, oh yes, i agree.. not this sql db running on the client machine |
| [10:29:48] | <andygraybeal> | err wait i'm an idiot |
| [10:29:52] | <andygraybeal> | google calendar .. sorry |
| [10:29:57] | <mstenta> | ooh gotcha |
| [10:31:10] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yea, so in farmOS the "Log" entities (of which there can be many many types) will all have a date field on them, so a calendar can be generated in the UI itself |
| [10:31:27] | <andygraybeal> | very cool |
| [10:31:34] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: and right now your upcoming tasks are already displayed in a "Plan" block on the dashboard |
| [10:31:42] | <andygraybeal> | yea, cutefarm outputed like "daily chore" thing :) |
| [10:31:53] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool yea sounds like the same thing |
| [10:31:59] | <andygraybeal> | yes, this sounds very cool |
| [10:32:22] | <andygraybeal> | and the asset tracker is for keeping maintenance on the skidsteer, the tractor, etc? |
| [10:32:23] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: if you have any trouble setting it up, I'd be happy to set up a demo site for you on Farmier |
| [10:32:42] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: "Farm Asset" is a new entity type, like "Node" |
| [10:33:17] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it is intended for tracking any kind of asset... right now the Farm Crop module provides a "Plantings" asset type... and the Farm Livestock module provides an "Animal" asset type |
| [10:33:41] | <andygraybeal> | okay cool. |
| [10:33:45] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: Assets can be moved around using Movement log entries |
| [10:34:04] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I also just made a simple Farm Equipment module, which provides an "Equipment" asset type |
| [10:34:35] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i need to keep records of the engines and motors on the farm: the irrigation pumps, the skidsteer, the tractor |
| [10:34:52] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: so for compost management, maybe a new "Compost Pile" asset type would be necessary? maybe we should start a new feature request on drupal.org to discuss... |
| [10:35:02] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, so yea the Farm Equipment module would be a good place for that stuff |
| [10:35:11] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: my plan is to add more log types for equipment, like "Maintenence" |
| [10:35:15] | <andygraybeal> | nice yes.. i have like 4 compost piles... and i need to keep temps on them |
| [10:35:27] | <andygraybeal> | yes, you are on a good track!! |
| [10:35:33] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool... temperature readings would be a good log type for compost assets |
| [10:35:38] | <andygraybeal> | i'm very happy thank you for doing this! i cannot wait to present it |
| [10:35:45] | <mstenta> | rjsteinert: maybe we can integrate Fido with the compost module! |
| [10:35:52] | <andygraybeal> | what is fido? |
| [10:35:55] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: rjsteinert works on environmental monitoring devices |
| [10:36:00] | <andygraybeal> | aaah interesting! |
| [10:36:12] | <andygraybeal> | do you use raspberrypi and/or arduino? |
| [10:36:35] | <andygraybeal> | i will look up Fido |
| [10:36:41] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it's on farm hack |
| [10:37:22] | <andygraybeal> | aah arduino |
| [10:37:23] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [10:37:29] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I have some raspberry Pis set up that track temp and humidity in my house... here's the code that runs them: http://github.com/mstenta/atmospi |
| [10:37:36] | <andygraybeal> | i have two of those, and one raspberrypi |
| [10:37:37] | <mstenta> | (made before I learned about Fido :-)) |
| [10:37:49] | <andygraybeal> | yes, very cool |
| [10:38:13] | <andygraybeal> | atmospi :) i like the name |
| [10:38:18] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [10:38:38] | <andygraybeal> | man, nice to meet you two!! |
| [10:39:04] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: you too! thanks for joining the chat! i just set it up last week and didn't expect ANYONE to join it for quite some time... |
| [10:39:10] | <mstenta> | so this makes me happy :-) |
| [10:39:19] | <andygraybeal> | :) |
| [10:39:31] | <mstenta> | i set up the Drupal Bot module too... so it's logged... |
| [10:39:35] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: log pointer? |
| [10:39:35] | <farmBOT> | http://farmos.org/bot/log/farmos/2014-12-12#T397 |
| [10:39:38] | <andygraybeal> | cool |
| [10:39:47] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal++ |
| [10:39:52] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i like to get an idea of things here.. and then take it to a tracker |
| [10:39:54] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: karma andygraybeal? |
| [10:39:54] | <farmBOT> | andygraybeal has karma of 1. |
| [10:39:58] | <andygraybeal> | hah |
| [10:40:19] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, makes sense |
| [10:40:30] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i do all the actual feature request and bug report management on drupal.org |
| [10:40:34] | <andygraybeal> | i'm just happy to talk to developerson irc like yourself |
| [10:40:36] | <mstenta> | roadmap? |
| [10:40:39] | <mstenta> | farmos? |
| [10:40:39] | <farmBOT> | farmOS is an open source farm management system built on Drupal. More info: http://farmos.org |
| [10:40:43] | <mstenta> | eh... |
| [10:41:13] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: roadmap is <reply>http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 |
| [10:41:13] | <farmBOT> | mstenta: Okay. |
| [10:41:14] | <farmBOT> | http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 => [META] FarmOS 7.x-1.x Roadmap [#2361221] => 32 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [10:41:17] | <mstenta> | roadmap? |
| [10:41:17] | <farmBOT> | http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 |
| [10:41:41] | <mstenta> | farmBOT roadmap is <reply>The current farmOS roadmap is available at: http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 |
| [10:41:41] | <farmBOT> | mstenta: Okay. |
| [10:41:44] | <farmBOT> | http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 => [META] FarmOS 7.x-1.x Roadmap [#2361221] => 32 comments, 3 IRC mentions |
| [10:41:46] | <mstenta> | roadmap? |
| [10:41:46] | <farmBOT> | The current farmOS roadmap is available at: http://www.drupal.org/node/2361221 |
| [10:41:49] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [10:42:39] | <andygraybeal> | aah yes, you have different user roles too |
| [10:42:46] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: ahhh noo... |
| [10:42:47] | <mstenta> | not yet |
| [10:42:57] | <andygraybeal> | ah ok.. well i was reading ;) |
| [10:43:06] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: that's a feature request :-) |
| [10:43:10] | <andygraybeal> | ah okay |
| [10:43:37] | <andygraybeal> | yea,.. farm manager, field hands, csa coordinator, and then people in charge of the different things like 'compost pile' records :) |
| [10:43:47] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: a little tricky because of the way the modules are structured... i don't want to make any assumptions about how people will use the modules... so it's tricky to package permissions and roles |
| [10:44:01] | <andygraybeal> | i see |
| [10:44:04] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i have no idea |
| [10:44:09] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yea definitely... that's all possible! because it's Drupal... I'm just not sure if/how we'll package that in farmOS yet |
| [10:44:21] | <andygraybeal> | gotcha, rockon |
| [10:44:22] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: but you can set those up yourself in your Drupal site |
| [10:44:27] | <andygraybeal> | cuteftp was very limitied |
| [10:44:30] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i got it |
| [10:45:18] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I am currently using some role and permission modules in Farmier to do that... but it's Farmier specific so it's not useful to others |
| [10:45:30] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: FYI: Farmier is a farmOS hosting service I'm starting :-) |
| [10:45:38] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i think that is a very good idea. |
| [10:45:40] | <andygraybeal> | farmier |
| [10:45:45] | <andygraybeal> | farmers can do that themselves |
| [10:45:55] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: farmier is <reply>Farmier is a farmOS hosting service, with some other goodies... http://farmier.com |
| [10:45:55] | <farmBOT> | mstenta: Okay. |
| [10:45:58] | <mstenta> | farmier? |
| [10:45:58] | <farmBOT> | Farmier is a farmOS hosting service, with some other goodies... http://farmier.com |
| [10:46:15] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i think hosting with farmier for the farm i'm thinking abot is a good idea. |
| [10:46:45] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, do they have a website? Farmier also provides a bunch of pre-configured website tools (it is Drupal, after all) |
| [10:47:43] | <andygraybeal> | yes they doo and it sucks. i no longer work there anymore, and i transferred everything into "open outreach" (the drupal distro) but they never adopted it. i was said -- greenedgegardens.com |
| [10:48:07] | <mstenta> | that is sad |
| [10:48:11] | <mstenta> | cool! looks nice! |
| [10:48:12] | <andygraybeal> | an older person runs their website who only understands how to use dreamweaver or something horrible like that |
| [10:48:18] | <mstenta> | eek |
| [10:48:40] | <mstenta> | ACTION has flashbacks |
| [10:49:23] | <andygraybeal> | yes.. i showed them how awesome it was in drupal.. and how easy it is to update for field hands.. and she went balistic about how she can't be having field hands update the website... when all i was trying to do was tell her.. she didn't have to email her changes to her web editor... and that we as workers could manage it -- so it would be less for her to pay for. |
| [10:49:56] | <andygraybeal> | it went a wrong direction quickly... she is like a super old english teacher... and when i would say 'article' she was like.. well when i think of an article i think of newspapers.... |
| [10:50:25] | <andygraybeal> | i couldn't talk to her. she has a mental/phsysical disability too.. and it was hard to work with.. her husband thought the work i did was commendable but she wasn't having it. |
| [10:50:41] | <andygraybeal> | aside from that .. the place is awesome |
| [10:50:52] | <andygraybeal> | and kip the owner, i look up to him in many ways. |
| [10:51:10] | <andygraybeal> | i had problems with the manager cause i couldn't get 2 days off in a row to be with my newborn kid.. so i quit |
| [10:52:00] | <andygraybeal> | i haven't had a real job since.. so that kind of sucks |
| [10:52:05] | <andygraybeal> | i loved it there too |
| [10:52:50] | <andygraybeal> | they have a mushroom house, a sprout house, csa packing room, 15 acres of fields and 10 green houses |
| [10:53:00] | <mstenta> | yikes. sounds complicated. |
| [10:53:03] | <andygraybeal> | and ponds that feed the fields. |
| [10:53:07] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [10:53:35] | <mstenta> | I was mentored by an old time farmer in Maine who still uses Amiga as his operating system :-) |
| [10:53:38] | <andygraybeal> | it is a great place. they do the year round thing with no heat, it's all covers in the houses |
| [10:53:44] | <andygraybeal> | hahah awesome |
| [10:54:00] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yea, he's actually a really awesome guy... knows what he likes :-) |
| [10:54:16] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: but he was interested in Drupal... I set him up with a site to play around with |
| [10:54:32] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I think he just really likes editing plain HTML though... to each their own |
| [10:55:03] | <andygraybeal> | the manager is all about using software to track the stuff. kip (the owner) is also.. but he's so taught with projects... and keeping things working he can't think about it. |
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| [10:56:06] | <andygraybeal> | they are talking about making it a worker-owned cooperative.. which i have experience with. there is a mill in town that i work for too that talking about being a worker-owned coop. (think mondragon ) |
| [10:57:10] | <andygraybeal> | i'm sure you've seen this too: http://www.farmerp.com/home.html |
| [10:58:27] | <andygraybeal> | i'm trying to find my stinking spreadsheet record logs ;) that i was relunctant to use but i couldn't get cutefarm to do it for me easily |
| [11:11:39] | <andygraybeal> | okay the outside is calling my name. i gotta go cultivate / break ground on my little place :) |
| [11:11:48] | <andygraybeal> | i'll try the install tonight |
| [11:12:04] | <andygraybeal> | thank you for talking! |
| [11:13:13] | <andygraybeal> | oh crap found the compost record log document: http://certification.oeffa.org/certfiles/crops/Compost%20Production%20Re... |
| [11:13:52] | <andygraybeal> | that's the generic record document by our farm assoc. |
| [11:14:01] | <andygraybeal> | er generic compost record doc |
| [11:17:14] | <andygraybeal> | i assume this will have some type of inventory too... i was in charge of keeping an inventory of all the irrigation fixtures, header pipes, valves, drip tape, couplers, etc |
| [11:17:39] | <andygraybeal> | this farm was cool and basiclaly has their shit together |
| [11:18:09] | <andygraybeal> | they are following dan kettridge's experience also.. open to new ideas and trying to do their best. |
| [11:18:15] | <andygraybeal> | i wish i hadn't quit honestly |
| [11:18:51] | <andygraybeal> | okay i gotta get outside |
| [11:22:48] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, i'm gona email the farm manager now. |
| [11:24:45] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool! (sorry didn't see all your messages until now) |
| [11:25:01] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i'd love to talk compost sometime |
| [11:25:05] | <andygraybeal> | how much is hosting it on farmier ? or is that up for debate? |
| [11:25:25] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: still up for debate :-) |
| [11:25:29] | <andygraybeal> | it's a big farm.. about 20 field hands |
| [11:25:40] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i need to figure out a bunch of those details (money stuff) soon, though... |
| [11:25:46] | <mstenta> | so stay tuned |
| [11:26:07] | <mstenta> | but i'd be happy to talk about options via phone/email |
| [11:26:11] | <andygraybeal> | well cool. i'm gonna try i out this weekend and tell dan (the manager) what i have figured out and what you can offer to him |
| [11:26:29] | <Snork> | Sorry guys, had to take some dogs out for a bit. |
| [11:27:21] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, would you be willing to help cater it to the farm's needs? their csa is complicated :) |
| [11:27:54] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: possibly, depending on what's needed... |
| [11:28:09] | <andygraybeal> | okay cool. i can help too with things (if i can manage, with your hand holding and etc) |
| [11:28:30] | <andygraybeal> | okay cool. hopefully the manager gets back to me. |
| [11:28:37] | <andygraybeal> | i secretly want to work their again :) |
| [11:28:40] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: if it's stuff that farmOS can't do already, maybe they can sponsor the development (benefits everyone) |
| [11:28:56] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i undersand,... have you looked into sare grants? |
| [11:29:16] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: not really... i haven't explored any funding sources yet... other than farmier hosting |
| [11:29:34] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: but i'm open to it, as long as it shares the project goals |
| [11:29:53] | <andygraybeal> | well.. sare and mofga both support cropplanning ( https://code.google.com/p/cropplanning/ ) |
| [11:30:07] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool |
| [11:30:11] | <andygraybeal> | and that is awesome software, but it doesn't have the record keeping!!!!! |
| [11:30:19] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yea i'm open to it |
| [11:30:21] | <andygraybeal> | it is frustrating and it isn't a web app.. which is super frustrating |
| [11:30:42] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: need someone to write the sare grant ;-) i'm too busy doing the actual development |
| [11:30:58] | <andygraybeal> | greenedge gets sare grants left and right |
| [11:31:11] | <andygraybeal> | and a buddy of mine has a job for me this spring because of sare |
| [11:31:26] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [11:31:37] | <mstenta> | Farm Hack is in the process of applying for a sare grant right now |
| [11:31:38] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i will s if i can help get something written |
| [11:31:41] | <andygraybeal> | aah okay |
| [11:32:11] | <andygraybeal> | yes, is farm hack a part of factor e farm ? |
| [11:32:22] | <andygraybeal> | open source ecology ? |
| [11:32:38] | <andygraybeal> | or are they two separate entities? |
| [11:33:28] | <andygraybeal> | oh man cropplanning is also supported by fedco |
| [11:33:43] | <andygraybeal> | i wonder if you guys can work together :) |
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| [11:34:08] | <andygraybeal> | mofga, fedco and sare are all things that farmers in my area look up to |
| [11:34:13] | <rjsteinert1> | Farm Hack is an advocacy organization for innovation in farming, OSE is a development shop :) |
| [11:34:13] | <farmBOT> | rjsteinert1: 2 days 2 hours ago <mstenta> tell rjsteinert1 to have a happy Wednesday |
| [11:34:27] | <andygraybeal> | rjsteinert1, ah thank you |
| [11:35:23] | <mstenta> | i look up to mofga and fedco too :-) i've only just recently learned of SARE, and they seem pretty awesome as well |
| [11:35:37] | <mstenta> | the old farmer I worked for up in Maine was one of the Fedco founders |
| [11:35:44] | <andygraybeal> | ah very cool |
| [11:36:12] | <rjsteinert1> | OSE has an Open Shop page on Farm Hack |
| [11:36:23] | <andygraybeal> | rjsteinert1, aah thank you for the relationship info |
| [11:36:35] | <andygraybeal> | i thought they were maybe the same thing.. or a spin off or osmething |
| [11:36:42] | <rjsteinert1> | http://farmhack.net/shop/open-source-ecology |
| [11:36:50] | <andygraybeal> | advocacy vs development.... seems very similiar |
| [11:37:17] | <andygraybeal> | i understand now though. |
| [11:37:37] | <andygraybeal> | i just got a welder this year :) i can't wait to start building things |
| [11:37:50] | <rjsteinert1> | nice :) I want to take lessons this winter |
| [11:38:05] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i'm just gonna watch youtube and buy rebar and learn as i go |
| [11:38:28] | <andygraybeal> | i want to build a thresher |
| [11:39:08] | <andygraybeal> | okay the outisde is calling .. i gotta break this ground up while the breaking is good |
| [11:39:26] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool! welding is super fun. i took lessons a few years ago... i'd love to get one and do more |
| [11:39:33] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, great talking to you! |
| [11:39:39] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: enjoy the outdoors! |
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| [11:54:37] | <andygraybeal> | ground is still too frozen |
| [11:56:49] | <Snork> | ACTION is jealous of andygraybeal's welder |
| [11:57:04] | <andygraybeal> | you should be, ;) it's a small mig |
| [11:57:09] | <mstenta> | nice |
| [11:57:24] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta is farmier on fb? |
| [11:57:29] | <mstenta> | I have an oxy torch, but don't get much use out of it |
| [11:57:35] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: fb == facebook? |
| [11:57:39] | <andygraybeal> | yes mstenta |
| [11:57:44] | <Snork> | I guess I am also jealous of his ability to use it. :-) |
| [11:57:47] | <andygraybeal> | oxy torch would be fun too |
| [11:57:56] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: yep but i've never posted under that account |
| [11:58:19] | <mstenta> | https://www.facebook.com/getfarmier |
| [11:58:41] | <Snork> | ACTION is disappointed that he has to go in to town today and won't be able to try out farmos 'till later tonight. |
| [11:59:04] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, haha it's stupid all this farmville crap pops up |
| [11:59:17] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: oh when you search? haha |
| [11:59:17] | <andygraybeal> | i cant stand fb :) |
| [11:59:22] | <andygraybeal> | nice spinach pictures :) |
| [11:59:30] | <andygraybeal> | yes, during a search |
| [11:59:36] | <mstenta> | Snork: (and andygraybeal) there is a demo site set up at http://farmhack.farmos.net |
| [11:59:44] | <mstenta> | Snork, andygraybeal: want logins? |
| [12:00:01] | <Snork> | Any chance one of you guys might be able to help with a "shear pin" question for my tractor/snowblower? |
| [12:00:19] | <mstenta> | Snork: probably not, but ask anyway! :-) |
| [12:00:23] | <Snork> | I don't need a login 'cause I plan to do an on-premise install when I get back. |
| [12:00:36] | <andygraybeal> | maybe longtail can help? |
| [12:00:46] | <mstenta> | Snork: k, let me know how it goes! I would recommend using drush to build it... are you familiar? |
| [12:00:55] | <andygraybeal> | drush is AWESOME |
| [12:01:04] | <mstenta> | drush++ |
| [12:01:09] | <andygraybeal> | ;) |
| [12:01:42] | <andygraybeal> | Snork, did you ask longtail about your tractor? |
| [12:01:45] | <Snork> | I have a Honda snow blower attachment and snapped the impeller shear pin yesterday... the bucket has some parts numbers listed but the sales place says the part number doesn't make sense. |
| [12:01:54] | <mstenta> | Snork: the reason I say use Drush is that the automated builds on drupal.org might be outdated |
| [12:03:05] | <Snork> | It seems like a weird shear pin too... it is not the "through axel" type of pin on the auger, it is used between two plates that are perpendicular to the shaft - for the impeller. |
| [12:03:30] | <Snork> | I haven't tried drush... I'd like to think I can read the manual though. :-) |
| [12:06:08] | <Snork> | I tried Drupal some time ago and remember not liking it. I am pretty sure that I found it too "heavy" for my needs. Would I be correct in thinking that my install procedure is essentially: (1) web server (2) drupal (3) drush (4) farmos? |
| [12:17:31] | <mstenta> | Snork: yes, essentially |
| [12:17:57] | <mstenta> | Snork: here is the command to build farmOS using Drush.... |
| [12:19:24] | <mstenta> | drush make http://raw.githubusercontent.com/farmier/farm/7.x-1.x/build-farm.make farmos |
| [12:19:31] | <mstenta> | I think that should work... i'll test it right now |
| [12:19:50] | <mstenta> | (normally I have build-farm.make locally, so I just run "drush make build-farm.make farmos") |
| [12:19:54] | <mstenta> | you could do that too |
| [12:21:14] | <mstenta> | yep, that command works |
| [12:21:24] | <mstenta> | I'm going to update http://drupal.org/project/farm with that recommendation |
| [12:22:46] | <Snork> | Thanks mstenta I got it copied & pasted... I'll hopefully have some time tonight to take a run at it. |
| [12:23:21] | <mstenta> | Snork: cool! good luck! |
| [12:23:32] | <mstenta> | Snork: I updated the project page to include that command as well, in case you forget: https://www.drupal.org/project/farm |
| [12:23:48] | <mstenta> | i will make it a priority to get some official releases out soon |
| [12:27:18] | <andygraybeal> | running that command now mstenta |
| [12:37:32] | <andygraybeal> | if you ever need it mstenta, i got a 3d blender model of an austrian scythe / snath :) |
| [12:37:35] | <andygraybeal> | for an icon or something |
| [12:37:42] | <andygraybeal> | it's easy to export from blender to svg or whatevs |
| [12:37:58] | <andygraybeal> | whenever i make an app as cool as this i want to use it :) |
| [12:38:03] | <andygraybeal> | or for my farm logo some day |
| [12:38:30] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, ran into an error |
| [12:38:41] | <andygraybeal> | An AJAX HTTP error occurred. HTTP Result Code: 500 Debugging information follows. Path: http://farmos.knivesandchives.com/install.php?profile=farm&locale=en&id=... StatusText: Internal Server Error ResponseText: |
| [12:38:57] | <andygraybeal> | weird, i clicked past it |
| [12:40:21] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool! thanks for the icon offer... haven't thought much about graphics yet, but probably will eventually |
| [12:40:22] | <andygraybeal> | rock on it worked |
| [12:40:27] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: great! |
| [12:40:43] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: not sure what the error is from... |
| [12:40:54] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: can you check your dblog? |
| [12:40:57] | <andygraybeal> | yea, clicked on 'error page' and it went right on through the installer |
| [12:41:09] | <andygraybeal> | yes i can.. tell me where it is or how |
| [12:41:12] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: might be some of the new theme-setting code i added recently |
| [12:41:16] | <mstenta> | /admin/reports/dblog |
| [12:42:59] | <andygraybeal> | nothing is coming up... would you like to login and poke around? |
| [12:43:10] | <andygraybeal> | the dblog everything looks okay - no errors |
| [12:43:19] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: ok, well maybe it was a fluke |
| [12:43:32] | <andygraybeal> | yea! |
| [12:43:41] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: farmos actually isn't doing too much outside of the normal drupal stuff... so it might not even be my code that caused the error |
| [12:43:57] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: go to /admin/farm for the dashboard |
| [12:44:12] | <mstenta> | there should also be a link in the navbar on top |
| [12:44:24] | <andygraybeal> | k |
| [12:44:36] | <andygraybeal> | yea, your admin bar is neat looking compared to what i normally see |
| [12:44:46] | <andygraybeal> | nice theme/style/ whatever |
| [12:46:14] | <andygraybeal> | i go to admin/reports/status - and this comes up: |
| [12:46:15] | <andygraybeal> | Notice: Undefined index: name in system_requirements() (line 34 of /var/www/farmos/public_html/farmos/modules/system/system.install). |
| [12:46:15] | <andygraybeal> | Notice: Undefined index: version in system_requirements() (line 36 of /var/www/farmos/public_html/farmos/modules/system/system.install). |
| [12:47:45] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: ok... not sure what that's from... i don't think it's farmos specific |
| [12:47:52] | <andygraybeal> | k |
| [12:48:06] | <mstenta> | looking to see if any of my farmos sites are doing the same thing... |
| [12:49:13] | <mstenta> | hmm, nope... i wonder what it is |
| [12:49:24] | <mstenta> | is it happening more? or just on install? |
| [12:50:17] | <andygraybeal> | well on install it said: An AJAX HTTP error occurred. HTTP Result Code: 500 Debugging information follows. Path: http://farmos.knivesandchives.com/install.php?profile=farm&locale=en&id=... StatusText: Internal Server Error ResponseText: |
| [12:50:39] | <andygraybeal> | now if i go to 'configuration' or 'reports' it says the other thing about the undefined indexes 'name' and 'version' |
| [12:50:47] | <andygraybeal> | in the system.install file |
| [12:51:03] | <mstenta> | as long as it's not an ongoing error message... |
| [12:51:10] | <mstenta> | go to /admin/reports/status |
| [12:51:17] | <mstenta> | do you see anything flagged in there? |
| [12:51:35] | <andygraybeal> | here you login - |
| [12:51:40] | <mstenta> | k |
| [12:51:41] | <mstenta> | PM? |
| [12:51:58] | <andygraybeal> | farmos.knivesandchives.com |
| [12:52:02] | <mstenta> | thank |
| [12:52:04] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [12:52:15] | <mstenta> | love the domain name :-) |
| [12:52:42] | <andygraybeal> | thanks :) i haven't done anything worthy with it yet.. it's supposed to be a blog for my girl and i... and maybe a store later when we have shit to sell |
| [12:52:50] | <andygraybeal> | but she doesn't write anything like she said she would |
| [12:52:59] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [12:53:10] | <andygraybeal> | i installed the recipe db module drupal module too so she could keep a list of her recipes and share them with people |
| [12:53:18] | <andygraybeal> | she's a good cook and makes all sorts of things |
| [12:53:36] | <andygraybeal> | we're pro cooks.. but been out of the business for a year now after a kiddo |
| [12:53:43] | <mstenta> | hmm yea, i'm seeing that PHP notice... |
| [12:54:08] | <andygraybeal> | is it something i messed up? |
| [12:54:15] | <andygraybeal> | i can dump the db and erase the installer and try again |
| [12:54:25] | <mstenta> | no i don't think it's your fault |
| [12:54:28] | <mstenta> | looking... |
| [12:55:06] | <mstenta> | hmm, looks like most of the farm modules did not enable automatically... this is probably related |
| [12:55:07] | <andygraybeal> | man.. us farmers and techie people have to unite! |
| [12:55:09] | <andygraybeal> | this is perfect |
| [12:55:17] | <mstenta> | i probably entered the wrong name somewhere... so it's blocking it |
| [12:55:22] | <mstenta> | just gotta find where... |
| [12:55:41] | <andygraybeal> | if you want to find it in your source it's no prob to blow this intsall away and redo |
| [12:55:51] | <andygraybeal> | i don't mind waiting |
| [13:00:11] | <mstenta> | weird |
| [13:01:02] | <mstenta> | do you have access to the database to run a query? |
| [13:01:05] | <andygraybeal> | yea |
| [13:01:23] | <mstenta> | SELECT * FROM system WHERE name='farm'; |
| [13:01:24] | <andygraybeal> | it's a linode |
| [13:01:28] | <andygraybeal> | okay |
| [13:01:33] | <mstenta> | nice, i use linode as well |
| [13:01:58] | <mstenta> | or more specifically: |
| [13:02:08] | <mstenta> | SELECT status FROM system WHERE name='farm'; |
| [13:03:01] | <andygraybeal> | only 1 record |
| [13:03:06] | <andygraybeal> | oh okay lemme try that line |
| [13:03:39] | <andygraybeal> | 0 records |
| [13:03:56] | <mstenta> | oh, my second one might have been incorrect |
| [13:04:06] | <mstenta> | what does the first return? what is the content of that row? |
| [13:04:11] | <mstenta> | specifically the status column |
| [13:04:15] | <andygraybeal> | k |
| [13:05:46] | <andygraybeal> | 1 record, and status column says '0' |
| [13:06:04] | <mstenta> | hmm, that should be 1 |
| [13:06:10] | <mstenta> | run this query: |
| [13:06:21] | <mstenta> | UPDATE system SET status=1 WHERE name="farm"; |
| [13:07:03] | <andygraybeal> | okay, 1 row affected, i'm gonna re-query just to see |
| [13:07:28] | <andygraybeal> | okay, status 1 |
| [13:08:11] | <mstenta> | ok... i'm still getting a white screen when i try to install the farm modules though |
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| [13:08:28] | <mstenta> | can you look at /var/log/apache/error.log? |
| [13:09:48] | <mstenta> | i am pushing an update to the farm distro... but i think there is another issue causing the white screen |
| [13:10:06] | <mstenta> | i'll have you rebuild... but not yet... let's see if we can fix this one |
| [13:10:06] | <mstenta> | if you have time |
| [13:11:33] | <andygraybeal> | yea |
| [13:12:28] | <andygraybeal> | ah i have the error log seperated from my main server logs.. and this is what it says: |
| [13:12:38] | <andygraybeal> | andy@redbud:/var/www/farmos/logs$ tail error.log |
| [13:12:38] | <andygraybeal> | [Fri Dec 12 12:58:11 2014] [error] [client 24.177.11.160] File does not exist: /var/www/farmos/public_html/farmos/favicon.ico |
| [13:12:41] | <andygraybeal> | that's it!!! |
| [13:12:53] | <mstenta> | hmm |
| [13:12:59] | <mstenta> | there's gotta be something else somewhere... |
| [13:13:06] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. maybe i will check what you asked |
| [13:13:43] | <mstenta> | this is a good test... having you set it up yourself, because I've always done it through Aegir... so for whatever reason I didn't hit these issues |
| [13:14:06] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it will be good to work them out so others don't hit them |
| [13:14:22] | <andygraybeal> | i've seen Aegir, i don't know what it is |
| [13:14:36] | <andygraybeal> | a rapid hosting application? |
| [13:14:57] | <andygraybeal> | and the other log.. is probably more embarresing for me to show you to my own ego |
| [13:15:08] | <andygraybeal> | than helpful to you but.. here it is :) |
| [13:15:27] | <andygraybeal> | [Fri Dec 12 12:35:47 2014] [notice] FastCGI: process manager initialized (pid 6137) |
| [13:15:27] | <andygraybeal> | PHP Deprecated: Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini on line 521 in Unknown on line 0 |
| [13:15:27] | <andygraybeal> | [Fri Dec 12 12:35:47 2014] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366) |
| [13:15:27] | <andygraybeal> | [Fri Dec 12 12:35:47 2014] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/mod_fastcgi-SNAP-0910052141 mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/1.0.1 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| [13:15:31] | <andygraybeal> | root@redbud:/var/log/apache2# |
| [13:15:42] | <andygraybeal> | i don't think there is anything in there relating to your stuff |
| [13:16:03] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gona look at my php5.ini file see what i messed up |
| [13:16:29] | <mstenta> | hmm no i dont' see anything |
| [13:16:44] | <mstenta> | i wonder... could it have anything to do with PHP version? do you know what version you have? |
| [13:16:51] | <mstenta> | i doubt it... but just curious |
| [13:17:31] | <andygraybeal> | eya two secs |
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| [13:20:08] | <andygraybeal> | https://knivesandchives.com/phpinfo.php |
| [13:20:10] | <mstenta> | I've got something else you can do... when you're ready |
| [13:20:42] | <mstenta> | in the farmos directory that drush built, edit profiles/farm/farm.info |
| [13:20:53] | <mstenta> | and add the following underneath the "name = " line... |
| [13:20:58] | <mstenta> | distribution_name = FarmOS |
| [13:21:21] | <andygraybeal> | rock on |
| [13:21:21] | <mstenta> | I just committed that to the repository... but it's easier if you just change it manually than rebuild |
| [13:21:42] | <mstenta> | then i'm going to try clearing the cache and see if that fixes anything |
| [13:21:44] | <andygraybeal> | PHP Version 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.15 btw |
| [13:22:13] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: cool, that should be fine |
| [13:22:26] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i'm on 5.4, but i don't think it would matter in this case |
| [13:22:38] | <andygraybeal> | are you on 14? |
| [13:22:43] | <andygraybeal> | i'm still on ubuntu 12 |
| [13:23:01] | <mstenta> | yea 14.04 |
| [13:23:12] | <mstenta> | new LTS! you should get on it@ |
| [13:23:14] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [13:23:28] | <andygraybeal> | i got till 2017!!!! |
| [13:23:31] | <andygraybeal> | :) |
| [13:23:32] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [13:23:35] | <andygraybeal> | you are right thugh |
| [13:23:59] | <mstenta> | with 14.04 you'd have to 2019 |
| [13:24:17] | <mstenta> | 2017 will be here before you know it ;-) |
| [13:24:47] | <andygraybeal> | okay so like this: |
| [13:24:56] | <andygraybeal> | name = FarmOS |
| [13:24:56] | <andygraybeal> | distribution = FarmOS |
| [13:24:56] | <andygraybeal> | description = A farm management system. |
| [13:24:56] | <andygraybeal> | core = 7.x |
| [13:24:59] | <andygraybeal> | ? |
| [13:25:45] | <mstenta> | distribution should be distribution_name |
| [13:25:56] | <mstenta> | otherwise yea |
| [13:26:10] | <andygraybeal> | ah ok |
| [13:26:18] | <andygraybeal> | my fault |
| [13:26:23] | <mstenta> | not sure why this is necessary... or why i never experienced this issue before |
| [13:26:32] | <andygraybeal> | i can't folow instructions |
| [13:26:35] | <mstenta> | i'll have to try setting up a site outside of aegir |
| [13:26:46] | <andygraybeal> | remind me what is aegir again? |
| [13:26:56] | <mstenta> | aegir is a drupal site for managing drupal sites :-) |
| [13:27:13] | <andygraybeal> | ah ok |
| [13:27:18] | <mstenta> | it does all the leg work of setting up virtual hosts, and other server stuff, and a bunch of other nifty things |
| [13:27:25] | <andygraybeal> | you have it loaded up on linode? |
| [13:27:28] | <mstenta> | so your drupal sites are just nodes in another drupal site |
| [13:27:38] | <mstenta> | yup |
| [13:27:43] | <andygraybeal> | ah very effin cool |
| [13:27:49] | <mstenta> | using http://github.com/mstenta/root_server |
| [13:28:07] | <andygraybeal> | you clone your stuff out of the github ? |
| [13:28:08] | <mstenta> | that's a set of scripts to automate provisioning a server with all the necessary server |
| [13:28:26] | <andygraybeal> | i'm always so far behind. |
| [13:28:43] | <mstenta> | yea i put code on github whenever i can |
| [13:28:51] | <mstenta> | all the farm stuff is too: http://github.com/farmier/farm |
| [13:28:59] | <mstenta> | er... http://github.com/farmier |
| [13:29:04] | <andygraybeal> | hey, the error cleared in my /admin/reports/status |
| [13:29:55] | <mstenta> | hrm... but it didn't fix the module installing issue... :-( |
| [13:30:06] | <mstenta> | WHY |
| [13:30:23] | <andygraybeal> | ACTION hands mstenta a hammer |
| [13:31:15] | <mstenta> | go here: http://farmos.knivesandchives.com/admin/structure/features |
| [13:31:42] | <mstenta> | see... a bunch of those Farm feature modules should have been installed automatically when you set up the site... but they weren't... |
| [13:31:56] | <andygraybeal> | okay |
| [13:32:15] | <mstenta> | and if you try to install one (ie: Farm Admin)... it goes to a white screen, which means a PHP error is occurring (hence why I asked about your error log... but that didn't seem to shed any light) |
| [13:32:32] | <andygraybeal> | did you see the 'unmet dependencies' textformatter & views_bulk_operations ? |
| [13:32:49] | <mstenta> | yes... that's another thing... i've been aware of it |
| [13:32:53] | <mstenta> | not related |
| [13:33:01] | <andygraybeal> | okay.. yea, just mentioning it :) |
| [13:33:03] | <andygraybeal> | i will tail |
| [13:33:24] | <mstenta> | (the delivery module is VERY beta... i included it in the distro, but haven't cleaned it up yet) |
| [13:33:47] | <mstenta> | (looks like the CSA module also has unmet dependencies... that I should fix) |
| [13:34:09] | <mstenta> | try installing Farm Admin and then look at the apache logs... there's got to be a fatal error happening somewhere |
| [13:34:09] | <andygraybeal> | maybe i'm not logging all errors? |
| [13:34:18] | <mstenta> | maybe |
| [13:34:28] | <mstenta> | but fatals would probably be logged |
| [13:34:33] | <andygraybeal> | okay yea... |
| [13:34:48] | <andygraybeal> | under error.log right? |
| [13:35:00] | <mstenta> | yea usually... /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| [13:35:03] | <mstenta> | that's where mine is |
| [13:35:15] | <andygraybeal> | yea, i have to be special.. each host reports to a different file |
| [13:35:18] | <mstenta> | but if you've got error logs per site, then it might be in that instead |
| [13:35:19] | <mstenta> | yea |
| [13:35:20] | <andygraybeal> | so i can keep things straight |
| [13:35:34] | <mstenta> | no that makes sense... i just don't because aegir doesn't |
| [13:35:38] | <mstenta> | that's another story ;-) |
| [13:35:44] | <andygraybeal> | lemme re-read my apache file |
| [13:36:59] | <mstenta> | k, i'm gonna take other routes... it's odd that Farm Area installed by the other didn't... maybe i screwed something up... |
| [13:37:06] | <andygraybeal> | aah i have it on LogLevel 'warn' which includes 'warnings, errrors, critical, alerts, and emergencies' it doesn't include 'notice, info and debug' |
| [13:38:48] | <mstenta> | hmm well that should still show fatal errors |
| [13:39:46] | <mstenta> | It seems that the Farm Log module can't be enabled... |
| [13:39:53] | <mstenta> | and all others depend on that |
| [13:42:56] | <andygraybeal> | you want me to blast and redo? |
| [13:43:52] | <mstenta> | or maybe not... I can't install Farm Taxonomy either |
| [13:43:58] | <mstenta> | i suppose it's worth a shot... :-/ |
| [13:44:23] | <mstenta> | if you rebuild via drush, you'll want to make sure you clear your drush cache |
| [13:44:35] | <mstenta> | by deleting ~/.drush/cache folder entirely |
| [13:44:47] | <andygraybeal> | ah okay i probably didn't know that |
| [13:44:47] | <mstenta> | otherwise the change you made to the .info file will be lost |
| [13:45:04] | <mstenta> | because drush caches the projects it downloads |
| [13:45:45] | <mstenta> | i'm going to try installing outside of aegir to see if the same thing happens to me |
| [13:46:00] | <andygraybeal> | i was gonna drop and create the db.. then rm -rf farmos folder. i also need to rm -rf ~/.drush/cache ? |
| [13:47:04] | <mstenta> | yes |
| [13:47:23] | <andygraybeal> | k |
| [13:52:25] | <andygraybeal> | okay i'm gonna run the drush make |
| [13:53:07] | <mstenta> | k |
| [13:53:18] | <mstenta> | i tried installing a site without aegir, and it worked :-/ |
| [13:53:26] | <mstenta> | which suggests it might be a server thing |
| [13:53:31] | <mstenta> | or a fluke... |
| [13:53:39] | <mstenta> | let's see how your next install goes |
| [13:54:06] | <mstenta> | (also, before you install the site, just confirm that the distribution_name is in the info file) |
| [13:55:57] | <andygraybeal> | oh crap |
| [13:55:59] | <andygraybeal> | i just did the install |
| [13:56:14] | <andygraybeal> | i will look now, but first here is this error again: |
| [13:56:15] | <andygraybeal> | An AJAX HTTP error occurred. HTTP Result Code: 500 Debugging information follows. Path: http://farmos.knivesandchives.com/install.php?profile=farm&locale=en&id=... StatusText: Internal Server Error ResponseText: |
| [13:56:17] | <mstenta> | oh well... hopefully the distribution_name is already there |
| [13:56:22] | <mstenta> | blast! |
| [13:56:50] | <andygraybeal> | yes, distribution_name is there!! |
| [13:56:55] | <mstenta> | ok good |
| [13:57:02] | <mstenta> | well i think that was a separate issue anyway |
| [13:57:09] | <mstenta> | (if it even WAS an issue) |
| [13:57:20] | <andygraybeal> | i clicked past the error... and it goes to the site info page :) |
| [13:57:23] | <andygraybeal> | just like last time |
| [13:57:27] | <mstenta> | dang |
| [13:57:30] | <mstenta> | annoying |
| [13:57:43] | <mstenta> | i need to eat some lunch... brain is getting less capable... :-) |
| [13:57:44] | <mstenta> | back in a bit |
| [13:58:30] | <andygraybeal> | thanks for holding my hand |
| [13:58:54] | <andygraybeal> | this comes up: Notice: Undefined index: distribution_name in drupal_install_profile_distribution_name() (line 207 of /var/www/farmos/public_html/farmos/includes/install.inc). |
| [13:59:07] | <mstenta> | DANG! |
| [13:59:22] | <mstenta> | it seems like the install process isn't enabling the farm installation profile for some reason |
| [13:59:25] | <andygraybeal> | and like before, the farm modules (accept for area) are not installed |
| [13:59:35] | <andygraybeal> | but it works when you do it? |
| [13:59:42] | <mstenta> | yea :-/ |
| [14:00:05] | <andygraybeal> | sudo drush make https://raw.githubusercontent.com/farmier/farm/7.x-1.x/build-farm.make farmos |
| [14:00:22] | <andygraybeal> | is the command.. and everything says okay |
| [14:00:36] | <andygraybeal> | my OS is up-to-date |
| [14:00:51] | <mstenta> | yea that should be fine |
| [14:01:42] | <andygraybeal> | okay go eat |
| [14:01:48] | <andygraybeal> | i'll stop botheing you |
| [14:01:50] | <andygraybeal> | thakn you again |
| [14:02:27] | <mstenta> | well here... in the meantime, so you can at least try it out: http://andygraybeal.farmos.net/ |
| [14:02:42] | <mstenta> | username and password are the same as your site |
| [14:02:44] | <andygraybeal> | hahah thank you |
| [14:02:52] | <andygraybeal> | you built this with aegis? |
| [14:02:58] | <mstenta> | aegir, yes |
| [14:03:21] | <mstenta> | at least you can see what it SHOULD look like |
| [14:04:14] | <mstenta> | i wish we could figure out your issue though |
| [14:05:11] | <mstenta> | what happens if you try installing the Standard or Minimal installation profiles? does the same thing happen? I assume you've installed other drupal sites without this issue? |
| [14:05:41] | <mstenta> | Minimal might be a good one to try... |
| [14:05:51] | <mstenta> | Or another distribution entirely... like Open Atrium 7.x |
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| [14:14:21] | <andygraybeal> | yes, i've installed drupal w/o the problem |
| [14:14:36] | <andygraybeal> | but i can do it with the minimal and see what happens |
| [14:16:06] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: only if you have a chance to... it probably won't do it |
| [14:16:19] | <mstenta> | but it would help to eliminate that as a possibility |
| [14:17:47] | <andygraybeal> | cool, doing so now |
| [14:20:20] | <andygraybeal> | i wonder if you and that 'cropplanning' guy could work together |
| [14:20:29] | <andygraybeal> | it sucks having all this re-invent the wheel stuff going on |
| [14:20:48] | <andygraybeal> | i don't like that his is not a web app |
| [14:21:03] | <andygraybeal> | and his scope is smaller |
| [14:22:38] | <andygraybeal> | okay during minimal install, that AJAX error didn't come up (no errors so far) |
| [14:23:51] | <andygraybeal> | the status reports no errors |
| [14:24:20] | <andygraybeal> | this is all under the 'minimal install' |
| [14:26:47] | <andygraybeal> | in a short while, i'll have to run to the vet |
| [14:36:46] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: ok... oh well, thanks for trying |
| [14:37:05] | <mstenta> | yea, i should reach out to the guy working on cropplanning... |
| [14:37:21] | <mstenta> | i'd love to have his insight... and his help if he's interested |
| [14:37:33] | <mstenta> | but he may be busy with his own development :-) |
| [15:11:17] | <andygraybeal> | okay same problems... what do you think i should do? install on a fresh host entirely? |
| [15:12:23] | <andygraybeal> | i need to go to the vet |
| [15:12:37] | <andygraybeal> | bbia hour-ish |
| [15:19:55] | <mstenta> | woo hoo! |
| [15:20:06] | <mstenta> | haha sorry... just glad it wasn't a bug i created :-) |
| [15:20:26] | <mstenta> | oh wait... misunderstood... |
| [15:20:36] | <mstenta> | talk to ya when you get back... |
| [15:28:06] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: tell andygraybeal Did you discover that the issue was on your host? It happened in another Drupal site (outside of farmOS)? |
| [15:28:06] | <farmBOT> | mstenta: I'll pass that on when andygraybeal is around. |
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| [15:53:05] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: tell andygraybeal Also, I created an issue for this in the farmOS drupal.org issue queue: https://www.drupal.org/node/2392605 |
| [15:53:05] | <farmBOT> | mstenta: I'll pass that on when andygraybeal is around. |
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| [16:32:33] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, well, it worked fine with the farmos (selecting minimal profile). i have other drupal's i install regularly and they don't have these issues. |
| [16:32:33] | <farmBOT> | andygraybeal: 1 hour 4 min ago <mstenta> tell andygraybeal Did you discover that the issue was on your host? It happened in another Drupal site (outside of farmOS)? |
| [16:32:33] | <farmBOT> | andygraybeal: 39 min 28 sec ago <mstenta> tell andygraybeal Also, I created an issue for this in the farmOS drupal.org issue queue: https://www.drupal.org/node/2392605 |
| [16:32:41] | <andygraybeal> | thank you farmBOT |
| [16:32:50] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: hi |
| [16:32:58] | <mstenta> | oh ok... so it is still an issue with farmos, probably? |
| [16:33:01] | <andygraybeal> | i can log stuff into the issue tracker if you prefer than here on irc |
| [16:33:17] | <mstenta> | here is fine, if i'm online |
| [16:33:21] | <andygraybeal> | well.... i was gonna go to a virtual machine.. and try from that |
| [16:33:28] | <mstenta> | k |
| [16:33:34] | <andygraybeal> | i gotta get this cat some food and make sure she's okay |
| [16:33:42] | <mstenta> | if you wait ONE minute... i will have pushed a small bugfix up :-) |
| [16:33:43] | <andygraybeal> | we got a drop off.. and i just went to get her spayed |
| [16:33:48] | <mstenta> | aw |
| [16:33:51] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, take your time, i'm in no hurry |
| [16:34:01] | <andygraybeal> | i don't normally drink.. but they lady is away |
| [16:34:09] | <andygraybeal> | until monday |
| [16:34:10] | <andygraybeal> | :) |
| [16:34:45] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gonna have a few sips on some good stuff and give this another go on a totally different host |
| [16:35:32] | <mstenta> | :-D |
| [16:35:39] | <mstenta> | cool, i just pushed up that fix |
| [16:35:48] | <mstenta> | (unrelated to what we're working on) |
| [16:36:01] | <andygraybeal> | is there a [ot] flag for the bot? |
| [16:36:08] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: have you ever heard of Vagrant and/or Puppet? |
| [16:36:23] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: not sure... what's that? |
| [16:36:29] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: help |
| [16:36:29] | <farmBOT> | Detailed information is available with "BOTNAME: help <feature>" where <feature> is one of: Factoids, Karma, Logging, Project URLs, Reminders, Seen, Tell. |
| [16:36:31] | <andygraybeal> | well i've heard of puppet.. and it's been on the list of things i need to learn |
| [16:36:43] | <andygraybeal> | off topic |
| [16:36:44] | <andygraybeal> | ot |
| [16:36:51] | <andygraybeal> | farmBOT, help logging |
| [16:36:51] | <farmBOT> | Logging is enabled for some or all channels at <http://farmos.org/bot/log>. A URL to the current log and timestamp is retrievable with "BOTNAME: log pointer?" or "BOTNAME: log bookmark?" |
| [16:37:13] | <andygraybeal> | nevermind it's not important |
| [16:37:18] | <mstenta> | if you go to http://farmos.org/bot it shows some info |
| [16:37:25] | <mstenta> | I don't think OT is supported |
| [16:37:28] | <mstenta> | what does it do? |
| [16:37:54] | <andygraybeal> | er maybe it's more like 'dont log this line' |
| [16:37:59] | <mstenta> | aahh ok |
| [16:38:38] | <andygraybeal> | you know about #linode over on oftc? |
| [16:39:46] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: no, is it a support chat? |
| [16:40:12] | <andygraybeal> | yes, and it is nice when you need it.. and it's not something that you want to go through there ticket tracker.. just something that's not so important |
| [16:40:19] | <andygraybeal> | more general info sorts of things |
| [16:40:23] | <andygraybeal> | i need all the help i can get :) |
| [16:40:34] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: i was going to say... if you're interested in trying out Vagrant, Puppet, Ubuntu 14.04, and Aegir all at once, take a look at this: http://github.com/mstenta/root_server |
| [16:40:42] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [16:40:56] | <andygraybeal> | holy shit.. yes i am very interested. it's something i want to learn. |
| [16:41:02] | <andygraybeal> | is vagrant the same as puppet or? |
| [16:41:24] | <mstenta> | Vagrant makes it easy to set up local virtual machines for development |
| [16:41:40] | <andygraybeal> | aaah... okay.. libvirt? |
| [16:41:47] | <andygraybeal> | er libvirt/kvm ? |
| [16:41:52] | <andygraybeal> | or is it something else |
| [16:42:13] | <mstenta> | root_server comes packaged with a Vagrantfile (basic config)... so all you need to do is "vagrant up" and it will build a new Ubuntu 14.09 VM, and then run the included Puppet scripts to install all the software, including Apache, MySQL, PHP, etc etc etc.... and Aegir |
| [16:42:18] | <andygraybeal> | what is your day job? we should get together sometime you can teach me lots. |
| [16:42:33] | <mstenta> | i'm a developer |
| [16:42:48] | <andygraybeal> | i'm a jobless slob about to be homeless |
| [16:42:49] | <mstenta> | with a background and passion in farming :-) |
| [16:42:54] | <mstenta> | oh no! |
| [16:43:23] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. we got 20 acres.. and 1 acre field. i want the field for my annuals and the woods for my permaculture crap |
| [16:43:36] | <andygraybeal> | nice hhouse.. i'm being over dramatic.. but it is very depressing |
| [16:43:56] | <andygraybeal> | yes, this vagrant.. does it spin up a kvm? |
| [16:44:05] | <mstenta> | sorry to hear that... trouble finding work? |
| [16:44:05] | <andygraybeal> | i will read |
| [16:44:15] | <mstenta> | seems like you've got skills |
| [16:44:24] | <mstenta> | Vagrant works with Virtual Box |
| [16:44:33] | <mstenta> | (and others maybe too... not sure) |
| [16:44:38] | <andygraybeal> | yes, no work here.. other than labor jobs.. which is great... but they dwindle in the winter |
| [16:44:43] | <andygraybeal> | aah virtualbox |
| [16:44:52] | <andygraybeal> | vbox is cool too |
| [16:44:55] | <mstenta> | learn Drupal and you won't have trouble finding work |
| [16:45:06] | <mstenta> | there's not enough Drupal devs out there right now |
| [16:45:29] | <andygraybeal> | you are right |
| [16:45:43] | <andygraybeal> | i almost sat down long enough to get linux certs |
| [16:45:44] | <andygraybeal> | i just can't focus |
| [16:47:30] | <mstenta> | it's an unfocused world :-) |
| [16:48:03] | <andygraybeal> | : |
| [16:48:04] | <andygraybeal> | :) |
| [16:48:13] | <andygraybeal> | okay feed that cat and make sure she is okay after surgery |
| [16:48:21] | <andygraybeal> | i got to box her into a room .. she's an outdoor cat |
| [16:56:41] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: Vagrant is really helpful for development, because you can have a local replica of a live server running in a VM... so it can match the live server exactly |
| [16:57:20] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: so you know that the changes you're making will work on the live server... or at least you can be that much more confident of it |
| [16:58:06] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: and Puppet is just the part of it that explains how to build/provision the server (what software to install, configuration, etc) |
| [16:58:17] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: it's basically a Drush Make file for a linux server :-) |
| [16:59:02] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: I'm going to be signing off soon... my cousin is having a pajama party this evening :-P |
| [17:06:35] | <andygraybeal> | interesting |
| [17:06:43] | <andygraybeal> | thank you |
| [17:07:08] | <andygraybeal> | haha good deal, have fun at the party |
| [17:07:26] | <andygraybeal> | i will expore vagrant and puppet later |
| [17:07:40] | <andygraybeal> | with your help i'm sure :) |
| [17:08:57] | <mstenta> | my pleasure |
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| [17:36:08] | <andygraybeal> | alright, installing now |
| [17:39:50] | <andygraybeal> | okay no install error |
| [17:40:25] | <andygraybeal> | gah there must be somethig up with my system :) grrrrr i hate that crap |
| [17:40:55] | <andygraybeal> | yea, farm modules are installed fine.. everything is wonderful |
| [17:41:00] | <andygraybeal> | i installed it on a 14.04 box |
| [17:41:56] | <andygraybeal> | yea, everything is as it should be |
| [17:42:06] | <andygraybeal> | well piss |
| [17:42:13] | <andygraybeal> | i wonder what is wrong with my setup |
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| [17:53:51] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: WOO HOO! |
| [17:54:03] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: :-D not my fault :-D |
| [17:54:12] | <andygraybeal> | hahahah |
| [17:54:20] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: glad you got it working! |
| [17:54:31] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. but not on my main system.. i'm so sad |
| [17:54:35] | <mstenta> | andygraybeal: but I gotta run! eager to hear what you think later........ |
| [17:54:41] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. see you! thank you |
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| [18:31:11] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta: i'm watching your hour long presentation from CT-NOFA last year!! |