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| [06:21:16] | <ludwa6> | g’day group. First day following FarmOS install, am working to add the many Areas on my farm (10 properties, each its own set of LandPlots and, some with quite a few beds), but it’s going kinda slow. In fact i cannot edit geometry thru my browser (Chrome Version 73.0.3683.103 (Official Build) (64-bit), on macOS 10.13.6 High Sierra) at all; can create (or import) polygon, and activate the edit feature, but double-clicking on vertices to |
| [06:21:17] | <ludwa6> | resize has no effect at all. Is it just me, i wonder, or is this a replicated problem? |
| [06:23:36] | <ludwa6> | Whups, i should clarify: mine is a hosted instance, at FarmOS.net. |
| [06:52:27] | <mstenta[m]> | ludwa6: have you had a chance to read the mapping user guide? |
| [06:52:56] | <ludwa6> | yep. only it doesn’t work as per the docs, when it comes to editing polygons. not in my setup. |
| [06:52:57] | <mstenta[m]> | Did you click the Modify button before trying to click vertices? |
| [06:53:13] | <mstenta[m]> | Oh ok, maybe you found a bug |
| [06:53:18] | <ludwa6> | edit button. |
| [06:53:29] | <ludwa6> | modify? let me check, brb… |
| [06:53:36] | <mstenta[m]> | Are you able to draw? |
| [06:54:35] | <ludwa6> | i was able to draw. had some trouble closing the polygon -double click did not do it- but was able to finally close it somehow (sorry, can’t say how) |
| [06:55:50] | <ludwa6> | now if i click on the edit button (icon w/ drawing hand), the polygon turns blue, vertices show up on scrollover… but i can’t move them, via doublelick, nor right click and drag, nor none of the usual gestures. |
| [06:56:30] | <mstenta[m]> | Hmm |
| [06:57:22] | <mstenta[m]> | I'm currently eating breakfast with my toddler (7am here). Sorry can't be much help at the moment |
| [06:57:43] | <mstenta[m]> | There is a "mapping with farmOS" vid on YouTube you could try watching |
| [06:57:46] | <ludwa6> | oh, no problem man, don’t lose quality time over this 5hit :-) |
| [06:57:47] | <mstenta[m]> | Just to make sure |
| [06:58:12] | <mstenta[m]> | If it is a bug we should file a report |
| [06:58:39] | <ludwa6> | ok, we can debug later; you finish breakfast, i’m online for some hours yet, working on this & that |
| [06:59:19] | <mstenta[m]> | Cool sounds good |
| [06:59:26] | <mstenta[m]> | Good luck! |
| [06:59:31] | <ludwa6> | thnks |
| [07:36:46] | <ludwa6> | mkay; i watched the video, and after playing around a bit, i think i’ve got the hang of creating and editing polygons. |
| [07:47:45] | <ludwa6> | The editor has some nice features, but i still think i’d rather import all these Area objects in the form of .KML files that i can create/ edit/ manage much easier in QGIS… If only i could export/ import all in the form of a single .KML, only that didn’t work when i tried it yesterday. |
| [07:52:28] | <mstenta[m]> | Oh great! (Re: editing) |
| [07:53:04] | <mstenta[m]> | Oh I thought the bulk kml import did work for you yesterday... |
| [07:53:12] | <mstenta[m]> | Just not the subfolders part, right? |
| [07:57:29] | <ludwa6> | right -i could not do .KML with nested objects, only a simple polygon |
| [07:58:07] | <ludwa6> | doing my whole farm this way -well over 100 objects, minimum- would be quite tedious. |
| [07:59:44] | <ludwa6> | i’m trying at this point to get a sense of scope: what it would make sense for me to manage in farmOS, and what’s better managed outside… And how i can integrate information across the application boundaries. |
| [08:00:58] | <ludwa6> | I see that you’ve got some sort of API. Are there people using it to do the kind of thing i’m talking about? |
| [08:14:36] | <mstenta[m]> | I wonder if you can export multiple areas without nesting them |
| [08:14:53] | <mstenta[m]> | Then you can do more than one at a time |
| [08:15:17] | <mstenta[m]> | Yes the API is a good way to build integrations with other systems |
| [08:15:31] | <mstenta[m]> | If you're comfortable with programming |
| [08:16:06] | <mstenta[m]> | Still pretty early days of that. We are using it for the Android/iOS app |
| [08:25:01] | <ludwa6> | I see. And it’s possible to ship Area data in&out via not just .KML, but also CSV i gather -yes? Can also ship all other data objects I/O via .CSV? |
| [08:57:49] | <ludwa6> | cool -i was able to group a set of polygons in my temp folder in GEpro, export as a single .KIML file, and import into farmOS… and all 6 polgyons showed up, correctly positioned & named. |
| [08:58:40] | <ludwa6> | Bit of work then to organize hierarchy correctly in farmOS, but not too difficult. |
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| [09:15:53] | <ludwa6> | Now i’m wondering how i can enrich these Area descriptions with more information i have attached in my GIS. Q: Is that Description field able to store anything other than plain text? This being a web page, perhaps i could enter HTML (or Markdown, ideally) and have display correctly? |
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| [09:43:19] | <ludwa6> | Hmm… I gather from this doc page that html is the default format: https://vdl.farmos.net/filter/tips/farm_format |
| [09:44:31] | <ludwa6> | but when i enter this html (link to an image of an Area), it does not display as a link: <a href="https://imgur.com/9N0sirD"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/9N0sirDh.jpg" title=“Eira Field image“ /></a> |
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| [10:40:46] | <ludwa6> | as i am evaluating this software for adoption by my farm, would love to see an instance that’s got all or most features implemented. Is there any such site that i might view, i wonder? |
| [10:54:33] | <mstenta[m]> | > I see. And it’s possible to ship Area data in&out via not just .KML, but also CSV i gather -yes? Can also ship all other data objects I/O via .CSV? |
| [10:54:33] | <mstenta[m]> | Area data isn't available via CSV, but assets and logs are |
| [10:55:05] | <mstenta[m]> | JSON/XML is also available for everything via API end points |
| [10:56:45] | <mstenta[m]> | <ludwa6 "Now i’m wondering how i can enri"> The description field filters out most HTML I believe (for security reasons), but it will automatically make URLs into links I think |
| [10:57:17] | <mstenta[m]> | <ludwa6 "but when i enter this html (link"> There is an image upload field for photos |
| [10:57:32] | <mstenta[m]> | And a files field for other file types |
| [10:58:02] | <mstenta[m]> | <ludwa6 "as i am evaluating this software"> No unfortunately we don't have a populated demo set up... It's something we've talked about |
| [10:58:03] | <ludwa6> | Yes… But there’s a limit of 5 until i buy a license. And i’m not there just yet :-) |
| [10:58:28] | <mstenta[m]> | Yes if you're hosting on Farmier that's correct |
| [10:58:52] | <mstenta[m]> | (to prevent potential abuse during the trial) |
| [11:00:09] | <ludwa6> | yes. license fee is quite reasonable, for anyone who is committed to use the software, and i would have no problem paying it, if i were sure that this is going to be worth the effort. that’s the real issue with me right now, no problem with the license fee. |
| [11:01:13] | <ludwa6> | You know: what would really help me in this evaluation is if i could see an instance that’s using all the features well. Is there one you could point me to online? |
| [11:01:59] | <ludwa6> | oh, sorry: i just saw your A to this Q above. |
| [11:03:21] | <ludwa6> | Surprising that, in the spirit of open data and FOSS, nobody is prepared to share their farm data. I certainly have no problem sharing myself. |
| [11:04:35] | <mstenta[m]> | You could check out some more of the webinar videos |
| [11:04:42] | <mstenta[m]> | That's a good way to see it in action |
| [11:04:49] | <mstenta[m]> | With explanations |
| [11:04:50] | <ludwa6> | i noticed the URL on one of your demos -https://wolfesneck.farmos.net/- and tried to see that one (a public project, as i understand), but alas: it needs a login. |
| [11:05:43] | <mstenta[m]> | Yes right now the software doesn't have an option of making things public. Login is always required |
| [11:05:54] | <mstenta[m]> | Also something that's been discussed though |
| [11:06:07] | <ludwa6> | That’s a feature i would like to see for sure. |
| [11:06:08] | <mstenta[m]> | I would love to see that development |
| [11:06:33] | <mstenta[m]> | You can create a "viewer" login |
| [11:06:41] | <ludwa6> | Is that not a standard one-click parameter change in Drupal? |
| [11:06:46] | <mstenta[m]> | Which can see but not change anything |
| [11:07:01] | <ludwa6> | That’s a resonable work-around, i guess. |
| [11:07:04] | <mstenta[m]> | It probably wouldn't be too hard |
| [11:07:19] | <mstenta[m]> | Just permissions on the "anonymous role" |
| [11:33:20] | <ludwa6> | mkay: i just created a Visit0r account, with just one Role: Farm Viewer |
| [11:34:04] | <ludwa6> | so that allows one to read all, with Create and Edit permissions deactivated -right? |
| [11:34:33] | <mstenta[m]> | yup! that's the idea! |
| [11:35:49] | <ludwa6> | cool. let it be known hereby that anyone who wants to see my mess is welcome as Visit0r / Visit0r |
| [11:36:58] | <mstenta[m]> | Thanks ludwa6 ! :-D |
| [11:37:47] | <ludwa6> | won’t be very interesting until i do a lot more work, tho it seems… and my workday will be winding down soon, here in GMT |
| [11:53:01] | <ludwa6> | Is it possible to enable site visitors to auto-register with a real email (i.e validated by return email), i wonder? |
| [11:53:47] | <mstenta[m]> | Drupal has a setting for that yes - but that option is not currently available of Farmier hosting |
| [11:54:01] | <mstenta[m]> | It tends to lead to a LOT of spam bot registrations, in my experience |
| [11:54:16] | <mstenta[m]> | Which is not a battle I am interested in fighting :-) |
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| [12:06:29] | <ludwa6> | ah, i can certainly understand that. minor point of friction for wannabe registrants to apply via mailto link; certainly worthwhile to keep spammers away. |
| [12:07:53] | <ludwa6> | hm, but then… whoever’s on the end of mailto link is gonna have the same problem. there must. be a better way, will give it a think. |
| [12:14:38] | <mstenta[m]> | ah not so much the mailto link issue... but that there will be LOTS of unwanted user's signing up for logins |
| [12:15:26] | <mstenta[m]> | (if i understand you correctly_ |
| [12:15:57] | <ludwa6> | oh, i get that. i’m just saying: with a line of text carrying a mailto link, that way somebody could request that i give them a login to my site. But that’s a bad idea, obviously. |
| [12:16:36] | <ludwa6> | Still: could you put a line of text up for me on that “Access Denied” page i see on visiting https://wolfesneck.farmos.net ... |
| [12:17:02] | <ludwa6> | … to say something like “For read-only access to this site, login as Visit0r / Visit0r”. ? |
| [12:17:29] | <ludwa6> | on vdl, i mean -not wolfesneck, obviously :-) |
| [12:18:44] | <ludwa6> | I don’t need it now, but need to know you can do it if i decide to license the software. |
| [12:18:48] | <mstenta[m]> | ah gotcha - unfortunately customizations like that are tricky - i keep the "standard" farmier hosting as "standard" as possible - that's how i'm able to keep it cheap - don't need to worry about managing individual customizations |
| [12:19:09] | <mstenta[m]> | but you could put it on your farm's website (if you have one), with a link to the farmOS login |
| [12:22:55] | <ludwa6> | that’ s true, and this will work for me for now. Still: i find it strange that i’m the only one interested in offering public view of my farm’s data, if i’m reading you right. |
| [12:23:14] | <mstenta[m]> | oh no it's come up before as well |
| [12:23:23] | <mstenta[m]> | just never been a huge priority |
| [12:23:48] | <mstenta[m]> | we're not very rich with time at this point - there is a lot to do :-) |
| [12:24:29] | <mstenta[m]> | if it's something you're really into and want to try implementing, that would be awesome! |
| [12:24:34] | <ludwa6> | sure. and i really appreciate your giving me so much of your time here. i hope i can help to make it better for you and the other users somehow. |
| [12:24:41] | <mstenta[m]> | (one of the benefits of the open source model) :-) |
| [12:25:50] | <mstenta[m]> | building a sustainable open source project is a challenge - one that i love thinking about and talking about too |
| [12:26:10] | <mstenta[m]> | currently we're supported largely by sponsored development work, from groups/organizations that want to build specific features |
| [12:26:38] | <ludwa6> | is that your primary source of income? thie project, i mean. |
| [12:27:18] | <mstenta[m]> | it is right now, yes... i've managed to find a few organizations who really see the potential and want to build on top of it |
| [12:27:28] | <mstenta[m]> | but nothing is for certain - i'm trying to keep it going :-) |
| [12:27:35] | <ludwa6> | great to hear. |
| [12:27:56] | <ludwa6> | it’s come a long way in the last coupla years, i can see. |
| [12:28:03] | <mstenta[m]> | the hosting is really a small piece - i mainly see that as a way of getting people set up easily |
| [12:29:01] | <ludwa6> | nice. it is a nice smooth entry ramp -despite my squeaking and beeping here :-) |
| [12:31:24] | <mstenta[m]> | haha it's great to have your squeaking and beeping :-) |
| [12:46:57] | <ludwa6> | ACTION farming |
| [12:47:41] | <mstenta[m]> | i was just debating whether or not i want to try to plant my potatoes before the rains |
| [12:47:55] | <mstenta[m]> | but the ground is still pretty wet |
| [12:48:15] | <mstenta[m]> | springtime challenges |
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