| [20:45:10] | <dornawcox[m]> | Recently posted on Farm Hack - OpenGPS Ag guidance http://farmhack.org/forums/agopengps |
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| [08:39:39] | <mstenta[m]> | Hey @dornawcox:matrix.org and jlharlan1s - I'm going to spec out a quick form for milk harvests. Talked with Dorn on the phone about it and I don't think it will be too hard to do. Basically something in between the current "Eggs" quick form and "Birth" quick form. |
| [08:39:55] | <mstenta[m]> | Wanted to see if you had any additional ideas/input to include in the plan... |
| [08:40:11] | <mstenta[m]> | I'll create a feature request ticket to keep track of it |
| [08:40:27] | <dornawcox[m]> | Fantastic! |
| [08:45:06] | <mstenta[m]> | @dornawcox:matrix.org: With the eggs log, the quantity is simple: just asks for a number, and assumes Measure="Count" and Unit="Egg(s)" |
| [08:45:26] | <mstenta[m]> | Do we need more flexibility for milk logs? |
| [08:46:32] | <mstenta[m]> | ie: Is it always measured in volume? |
| [08:46:37] | <mstenta[m]> | We'll definitely need to differentiate gallons/liters |
| [08:47:53] | <dornawcox[m]> | Will be animal ID, time/date (AM/PM) and milk weight. jlharlan1s : sound right? |
| [08:48:29] | <mstenta[m]> | Milk weight... so is that pounds / kilograms then? |
| [08:48:46] | <mstenta[m]> | And is that standard measure for all dairy operations? Or is volume also used? |
| [08:49:26] | <dornawcox[m]> | Milk is mostly measured by weight. |
| [08:49:50] | <mstenta[m]> | I can add a simple dropdown that let's you select "Weight" or "Volume" |
| [08:54:16] | <dornawcox[m]> | The dairymaster milk monitors are scales with a digital readout. It will be great to figure out how to auto-populate these fields at a later date, but there is real value in being able to manually populate first and always manual as a backup. we are making progress with monitoring the RFID and monitor inputs to the milk master software so that will come along later... |
| [08:54:41] | <mstenta[m]> | Awesome |
| [08:54:54] | <mstenta[m]> | Yea, the automatic/manual workflow makes a lot of sense |
| [08:55:07] | <mstenta[m]> | And ensure that they both create the same format harvest logs |
| [08:56:13] | <mstenta[m]> | For the automatic - we could create a separate user login (username = "Milkmaster") so that you can see which logs were created automatically, and which were created manually (and by whom) |
| [09:03:53] | <mstenta[m]> | https://github.com/farmOS/farmOS/issues/64 |
| [10:00:11] | <mstenta[m]> | ACTION uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2018-03-21 09-59-38.png (38KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RkedFxfnXmyuReyz... |
| [10:00:35] | <mstenta[m]> | What do you think @dornawcox:matrix.org and jlharlan1s ? |
| [10:00:47] | <mstenta[m]> | (That is just a mockup - doesn't work yet) |
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| [10:21:55] | <dornawcox[m]> | I wouldn't want to have to enter units every time. Maybe set to a default that is auto-populated? |
| [10:23:44] | <mstenta[m]> | @dornawcox:matrix.org: How about if it remembers what you put in last time? |
| [10:23:53] | <mstenta[m]> | So you would only need to enter it once (and again if you ever change units) |
| [10:26:15] | <mstenta[m]> | That's an easy solution |
| [10:29:23] | <mstenta[m]> | I'll do the same thing with the "Measure" field - default to "Weight", but remember what was entered previously. |
| [10:29:30] | <mstenta[m]> | So if you use "Volume" and "Gallons" normally, it will remember that. |
| [10:37:32] | <dornawcox[m]> | Sounds like a good solution. Curious about Josh's input. |
| [10:41:01] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | Lbs of milk is the industry standard for measuring milk |
| [10:41:48] | <mstenta[m]> | jlharlan1s: Good to know. What would it be in metric countries? Kilos? |
| [10:42:07] | <mstenta[m]> | farmOS has a setting to toggle between US/Metric, so I could default it to "Weight in Lbs" for US, and "Weight in Kilos" for metric |
| [10:42:19] | <mstenta[m]> | (But still allow the user to change it) |
| [10:42:51] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | Metric countries measure in liters |
| [10:43:26] | <mstenta[m]> | Oh ok. So volume then |
| [10:44:04] | <mstenta[m]> | Funny... why does US use Weight instead of Volume? Just historical habit? |
| [10:44:17] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | It would be much better to have a list of the cows. So a drop down for the group that formulates a list where we can put in weights for each individual cow |
| [10:45:17] | <mstenta[m]> | Ok - that's more complicated - but certainly possible |
| [10:45:37] | <mstenta[m]> | I'll do this first pass as a proof of concept, and then we can expand it in the next round |
| [10:45:40] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | The reason is that milk is a commodity so it is usually sold by the cwt or 100lbs. |
| [10:45:46] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | Perfect! |
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| [10:49:22] | <mstenta[m]> | One of the considerations with providing a list of animals/groups is that it might include other animals too (ie: chickens). |
| [10:49:28] | <mstenta[m]> | We would need to add a way to flag certain groups/animals as "milkable" |
| [10:49:29] | <mstenta[m]> | That's what we're doing with the Eggs module |
| [10:49:44] | <mstenta[m]> | Certain animals/groups can be flagged as "Produces eggs" |
| [10:50:16] | <mstenta[m]> | And that causes them to show up as checkbox options |
| [10:50:23] | <mstenta[m]> | In the case of animals, that list might be a lot longer, though - which is maybe another consideration |
| [10:51:07] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | Can you just pull a list based on a group? We will only put weights in for the milk cow group |
| [10:51:21] | <mstenta[m]> | Yes that's another way we could do it |
| [10:51:31] | <mstenta[m]> | The groups may include non-milking groups too, though, but maybe that's not a big deal |
| [10:51:38] | <mstenta[m]> | (ie: some people use Groups for Equipment too) |
| [10:52:27] | <mstenta[m]> | It could show a dropdown of groups, and when you select a group, it then shows fields for all animals in the group |
| [10:52:47] | <mstenta[m]> | Then you can type in quantity for each animal - and it will create a separate harvest log for each |
| [10:54:45] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | Yes I like that one! |
| [10:54:58] | <mstenta[m]> | Alright - I think I can whip together the first pass this morning... |
| [10:55:01] | <mstenta[m]> | And I'll think about the second pass while I'm doing that |
| [10:58:29] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | I have some milk numbers I can test it out as soon as you get it ready |
| [11:08:04] | <mstenta[m]> | Cool! |
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| [14:49:22] | <mstenta[m]> | @dornawcox:matrix.org and jlharlan1s : https://wolfesneck.farmos.net/farm/quick/milk |
| [14:53:43] | <mstenta[m]> | Oops... small bug with the animal select field... debugging... |
| [14:56:29] | <mstenta[m]> | fixed :-) |
| [14:57:13] | <mstenta[m]> | Gotta run - give it a try and let me know what you think - we can start followup requests for the next iterations (multiple animals, etc) |
| [14:57:37] | <mstenta[m]> | Feel free to put ideas in this chat and I will organize into feature requests later... |
| [15:01:55] | <mstenta[m]> | Here's one: https://github.com/farmOS/farmOS/issues/65 |
| [17:01:29] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | The current milk quick form would work well for when we ship milk but doesn't give any information for individual animals which is the more important part of milk record keeping. |
| [17:20:42] | <mstenta[m]> | jlharlan1s: it can be used for individual animals |
| [17:20:53] | <mstenta[m]> | The multi animal feature will make it easier to do many at once |
| [17:21:25] | <mstenta[m]> | Are there other pieces of info that need to be collected? Beyond quantity? Notes per animal perhaps? |
| [17:42:31] | <dornawcox[m]> | Would you want to specify AM/PM milking? Or would that just be automatic with the timestamp? |
| [17:45:09] | <mstenta[m]> | That would be covered by the timestamp |
| [17:45:35] | <mstenta[m]> | Right now quick forms don't expose the timestamp, but that could be done |
| [17:45:45] | <mstenta[m]> | It defaults to when you submit the form |
| [17:46:12] | <dornawcox[m]> | That seems good to me. What do you think Josh? |
| [18:31:06] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | It would be nice to have a notes section to explain any anomalies for keeping milk out of the tank |
| [18:32:44] | <jlharlan1s[m]> | I'll test it out real time in the parlor this weekend |
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