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| [21:45:26] | <sadie> | Hi |
| [21:45:26] | <farmBOT> | eh oh |
| [21:59:15] | <sadie> | I'd like to use farmOS for vineyard management, but I'm unsure if I need to create a module to taylor it for the task |
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| [16:44:36] | <sdutcher> | Could area types have different attribute fields? |
| [16:45:01] | <mstenta> | Hi sdutcher |
| [16:45:09] | <sdutcher> | Hi |
| [16:45:09] | <farmBOT> | bonjour |
| [16:45:19] | <mstenta> | At the moment, no... but in the near future I plan to make "areas" into types of "assets" |
| [16:45:39] | <mstenta> | I think that will probably allow for the kind of flexibility you're imagining |
| [16:45:47] | <sdutcher> | So for now, just use the description section? |
| [16:45:50] | <mstenta> | What do you have in mind? Would love to hear ideas as we synthesize all this |
| [16:46:05] | <sdutcher> | I'm thinking in term of perennials |
| [16:46:29] | <sdutcher> | Like for a vineyard, we have clone types, rootstocks, spacing, trellis systems |
| [16:46:30] | <mstenta> | Ah ok - so actually I would suggest putting perennial plantings in as "Planting" assets... not as areas |
| [16:47:35] | <sdutcher> | Ok, so I can define my vineyard blocks as fields and link plantings to them |
| [16:47:42] | <mstenta> | Oh.. ok, so you mean like attributes of the crop/variety |
| [16:47:53] | <mstenta> | Yes - exactly |
| [16:48:06] | <mstenta> | Plantings represent the actual "plants in the ground" |
| [16:48:18] | <mstenta> | so to speak |
| [16:48:41] | <sdutcher> | I see |
| [16:48:46] | <mstenta> | All assets in farmOS (including plantings) can be given a very specific location |
| [16:48:54] | <mstenta> | (and that location can change over time, like with transplanting) |
| [16:49:11] | <mstenta> | (but in most cases, a planting doesn't change location after it is initially planted) |
| [16:49:28] | <mstenta> | here is a page that describes how location and movements work in farmOS: |
| [16:49:40] | <sdutcher> | Would it be possible to expand the number of attributes for a crop? |
| [16:49:43] | <mstenta> | http://farmos.org/guide/location/ |
| [16:49:49] | <sdutcher> | thanks |
| [16:50:04] | <mstenta> | Yes! this is actually something that I'm giving some real thought to for the future |
| [16:50:20] | <mstenta> | to be able to include things like "days to maturity", "spacing" etc |
| [16:50:23] | <sdutcher> | I'm open to writing a module |
| [16:50:27] | <mstenta> | Cool! |
| [16:50:57] | <sdutcher> | I need to brush up on php first |
| [16:51:29] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [16:51:50] | <sdutcher> | I'm really excited about your project here |
| [16:52:29] | <mstenta> | I still haven't decided exactly how best to attach information to crops/varieties (architecturally speaking) - there are some considerations, so I'm hoping to have some more discussions with the community and figure out the best approach together |
| [16:52:42] | <mstenta> | I'm actually hoping to make "crop planning" the focus of next month's farmOS call |
| [16:52:49] | <mstenta> | if you're interested in joining: |
| [16:52:55] | <sdutcher> | For sure |
| [16:53:07] | <mstenta> | http://farmos.org/community/monthly-call/ |
| [16:53:44] | <mstenta> | For now, I would suggest just including information about the spacing in the planting record you create |
| [16:53:59] | <mstenta> | and maybe the same with the trellis system? |
| [16:54:14] | <mstenta> | or that could be part of an area, actually, if that were more useful |
| [16:54:17] | <mstenta> | maybe |
| [16:54:19] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [16:54:37] | <sdutcher> | Okay, that makes sense. Generally those things are changed when a cultivar is changed. |
| [16:54:51] | <mstenta> | ok |
| [16:55:05] | <mstenta> | as far as clone types and root stock, maybe those could be different crops/varieties? |
| [16:55:24] | <mstenta> | basically: you can have a list of "crops/varieties" that you grow, and then you have specific "plantings" of those crops |
| [16:55:55] | <mstenta> | http://farmos.org/guide/assets/plantings/ |
| [16:56:30] | <sdutcher> | That could work |
| [16:57:15] | <sdutcher> | FOr example, planting "Syrah Clone SV7 on 5C Rootstock" |
| [17:00:48] | <sdutcher> | Might need to extend the transplanting date back though, many vines are over 50 years old |
| [17:01:35] | <mstenta> | Ah good point! |
| [17:02:00] | <mstenta> | The farmOS database can handle that just fine I believe, but I think the date dropdown only goes back a few years currently |
| [17:02:18] | <sdutcher> | Yeah, 2015 |
| [17:02:20] | <mstenta> | I would also recommend adding the year to the planting name |
| [17:02:42] | <mstenta> | Are you using Farmier hosting? |
| [17:02:57] | <mstenta> | I can tweak that date field for you so you can enter your dates |
| [17:03:08] | <sdutcher> | No, I just installed it on my box at home here last night |
| [17:03:13] | <mstenta> | Ah ok |
| [17:03:34] | <mstenta> | So I'll have to think of a good long-term solution to that... |
| [17:03:43] | <mstenta> | But in the meantime, you could just change the "widget" that is used on the date field |
| [17:03:43] | <sdutcher> | I might get hosting if I can get my viticulture professor interested. |
| [17:03:53] | <mstenta> | Cool |
| [17:04:45] | <sdutcher> | We had an AgCode rep give a talk this week, she was impressed with their system. |
| [17:05:23] | <sdutcher> | AgCode lacks an api though, very little customization. |
| [17:05:29] | <mstenta> | Neat I haven't seen that one |
| [17:05:55] | <sdutcher> | Plus big money, like $10k setup, $5k yearly maintenance. |
| [17:06:14] | <sdutcher> | Not open source :( |
| [17:06:43] | <mstenta> | https://github.com/farmOS/farmOS/issues/53 |
| [17:06:46] | <mstenta> | whoa |
| [17:08:14] | <sdutcher> | I know, your asking $50 for an annual hosting fee is trivial in comparison. |
| [17:08:26] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [17:08:34] | <mstenta> | Not to mention you can install it yourself for free |
| [17:09:25] | <sdutcher> | Yes, I think too organizations can take the security vulnerabilities of SAAS too lightly |
| [17:17:38] | <sdutcher> | I had one question about the maps. Is there a way to disable the labels Google places on the map? |
| [17:17:40] | <sdutcher> | https://i.imgur.com/A9iFF7t.jpg |
| [17:19:18] | <mstenta> | Not individually, but it would be possible to change the google layer that is used to remove them completely |
| [17:19:32] | <mstenta> | Right now it is using the "hybrid" layers, which shows both satellite imagery and roads/labels |
| [17:19:39] | <mstenta> | But the "satellite" image doesn't include those |
| [17:19:56] | <mstenta> | It's a bit tricky to do, but possible |
| [17:21:35] | <sdutcher> | Would that be in the farm_area module? |
| [17:22:39] | <sdutcher> | Oh wait, I think I see it in farm_map |
| [17:24:53] | <mstenta> | yes - farm_map |
| [17:25:04] | <mstenta> | if you just search for "hybrid" that should do it |
| [17:25:18] | <mstenta> | but note: if you change that, and then update farmOS, you'll lose that change |
| [17:26:10] | <mstenta> | there are ways to make it more permanent... |
| [17:26:20] | <mstenta> | i need to run right now, though - hope all that was helpful! |
| [17:26:32] | <sdutcher> | Thanks so much |
| [17:26:39] | <mstenta> | this room is logged, so feel free to leave messages - i'll answer when i'm around |
| [17:27:17] | <sdutcher> | Cool :) |
| [17:28:05] | <mstenta> | talk to you later! |
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