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| [13:36:33] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: log pointer? |
| [13:36:33] | <farmBOT> | http://farmier.com/bot/log/farmOS/2018-02-13#T23258 |
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| [13:36:51] | <mstenta> | Hi everyone :-) |
| [14:06:25] | <TimC_> | hi there, been forever since i've used IRC |
| [14:06:51] | <mstenta> | welcome back :-) |
| [14:21:10] | <TimC_> | thanks! |
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| [15:46:48] | <TimC_> | mike, i'm setting up my account with my perennial plantings |
| [15:47:17] | <TimC_> | would you advise that i set them up as a "planting"? |
| [15:48:05] | <TimC_> | these are things that'll stay in the ground for at least 10 years |
| [15:52:10] | <TimC_> | nevermind, i guess if i want to geographically define it, it needs to be an Area |
| [16:02:21] | <mstenta> | TimC_: yes, they would be "planting" assets |
| [16:02:36] | <mstenta> | a planting can be put into an area |
| [16:02:43] | <mstenta> | and it can also be given a more specific geometry than the area |
| [16:08:51] | <TimC_> | can i define a polygon for it? like a shape? under Location in the Asset i only see a place to assign it an Area |
| [16:20:11] | <mstenta> | TimC_: sorry - for some reason my IRC client isn't making a noise like it normally does when a chat comes in :-) |
| [16:20:17] | <mstenta> | Yes - you can... |
| [16:20:35] | <mstenta> | http://farmos.org/guide/location/ |
| [16:21:09] | <mstenta> | The "Location" field on the asset is a shortcut - what that will actually do is create a log that "moves" the asset to that location. |
| [16:21:19] | <mstenta> | You can ALSO create a movement log manually. |
| [16:21:26] | <mstenta> | And in it, you can define a more specific geometry. |
| [16:21:59] | <mstenta> | But you'll still need to reference an area... but that can just be a more general area that the more specific geometry is within. |
| [16:22:01] | <mstenta> | If that makes sense :-) |
| [16:28:35] | <TimC_> | it does |
| [16:31:45] | <mstenta> | TimC_: asset location is always defined with a movement log in farmOS - "areas" are meant to be used for more permanent shapes on the map (fields, building, beds, etc) |
| [16:32:03] | <mstenta> | that way, you can have a history of an asset's location (within those areas, and more specifically) over time |
| [16:32:33] | <mstenta> | it's not always necessary for plantings - especially perennials that never move - but it works the same either way |
| [16:32:56] | <mstenta> | in the case of transplants, you can track the time that they are in the greenhouse/pots and then when they move out to the field, for example |
| [16:32:59] | <TimC_> | hmm, i guess i'm confused then. my planting assets really won't move and i'd like to see them on the map as i'm thinking of using it to show employees where to go |
| [16:33:07] | <mstenta> | and obviously with animals and equipment, they move around more |
| [16:33:33] | <mstenta> | yea, so you'll just have one movement log for each planting asset - just to set their initial location |
| [16:33:33] | <TimC_> | if i have a planting asset, will it show up as a defined area on the map? or do i need to use an Area for that? |
| [16:33:52] | <mstenta> | yes, it will show on the map, as long as it has a log that "moved" it somewhere |
| [16:33:59] | <mstenta> | that could be a transplant log |
| [16:34:06] | <mstenta> | if you remember when you planted them |
| [16:34:07] | <mstenta> | or a seeding log |
| [16:34:21] | <mstenta> | or it could just be an observation log that says "this is where it is right now" |
| [16:34:46] | <mstenta> | if you use the "Location" field when you edit an asset, it will automatically create an observation log with a title of "Current location: [area name]" |
| [16:38:12] | <TimC_> | makes sense...so i created a transplant log for a particular row of figs (all same variety) and assigned it a geometry (polygon). when i go back to the main dashboard, i don't seem that geometry defined, just the Areas |
| [16:38:17] | <TimC_> | is that correct? |
| [16:39:05] | <mstenta> | Click on Assets > Plantings |
| [16:39:24] | <mstenta> | There are currently two separate maps in farmOS ... the one that shows all areas, and the one that shows specific types of assets |
| [16:39:30] | <mstenta> | The dashboard shows areas |
| [16:39:43] | <mstenta> | But each of the Assets listing pages will show the specific geometries of those assets |
| [16:39:59] | <mstenta> | (in the future, I want to merge all the maps together into one, but that's how it works right now) |
| [16:41:13] | <TimC_> | hmm, so this is interesting |
| [16:41:37] | <TimC_> | (sorry to take up your time, i can put this in an email or report if preferable) |
| [16:41:46] | <mstenta> | no worries! |
| [16:41:54] | <mstenta> | i might have to run in a little bit - but I'm free right now :-) |
| [16:43:14] | <TimC_> | so i originally added this Asset to my Fig field. i then expanded the border of the fig field to reflect an addition we're making this year, but the Asset shows a different geometry on the Plantings Asset map (the original size of the Fig field) |
| [16:44:24] | <mstenta> | Ah yes. |
| [16:44:34] | <TimC_> | in order to get the new geometry i have to click on the Transplant log, otherwise on the Planting Asset map i only see the Asset Id with the outline of the original Fig field |
| [16:44:37] | <mstenta> | So when you create a movement log, it copies the CURRENT geometry of the area into the log |
| [16:44:50] | <TimC_> | ah, i figured that might be the case :-) |
| [16:44:55] | <mstenta> | That way, if the area geometry changes in the future, you still know where the asset was at that point in time |
| [16:45:02] | <mstenta> | You can fix that... |
| [16:45:11] | <mstenta> | If you go to the transplant log, edit it, clear the geometry, and re-save |
| [16:45:20] | <mstenta> | It will automatically re-copy the new geometry from the area |
| [16:46:03] | <mstenta> | So yea... on the Plantings listing page, the map will show all the geometries of plantings from their movement logs... |
| [16:46:18] | <mstenta> | To tell you what is currently there |
| [16:46:48] | <mstenta> | (In the future, you'll be able to slide a timeline slider forward and backward to see what WAS there, based on older movement logs... and potentially future ones too if you have them) |
| [16:47:54] | <mstenta> | brb wife and toddler just got home :-) |
| [16:48:18] | <TimC_> | hmm, i've created two movement logs (Transplant), and i still don't see the geometry on the Planting Asset map |
| [16:48:27] | <TimC_> | np, i'll keep playing |
| [16:50:03] | <mstenta> | ah ok |
| [16:50:18] | <mstenta> | the logs need to be both a) in the past, and b) marked as "done" |
| [16:50:31] | <mstenta> | (that is how farmOS determines which movement log is the "current state" |
| [16:50:33] | <mstenta> | ) |
| [16:51:22] | <mstenta> | (are you hosting farmOS yourself, or using Farmier? If Farmier I might be able to take a look to help figure out the issue) |
| [16:51:33] | <TimC_> | farmier, threefoldfarm.farmos.net |
| [16:51:59] | <TimC_> | yea, all of the logs are marked as done... |
| [16:52:26] | <mstenta> | ok let me take a look... |
| [16:52:48] | <TimC_> | a blended map would be great, or one with easy layers for Areas and Assets |
| [16:53:30] | <mstenta> | yea agreed! |
| [16:53:42] | <mstenta> | i'm calling that initiative "one map to rule them all" |
| [16:53:43] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [16:54:09] | <TimC_> | and in the farminess, bind them? :) |
| [16:54:58] | <TimC_> | almost quittin' time here, but i'm gonna list a few things that i think would make this initial process more simple. i'd be happy to add these as issues or feature requests (if that's possible) on github... |
| [16:55:30] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [16:55:35] | <mstenta> | ok yea |
| [16:55:44] | <mstenta> | put together a github issue - that would be great |
| [16:56:40] | <mstenta> | ok so i'm looking at https://threefoldfarm.farmos.net/farm/assets/plantings |
| [16:57:25] | <mstenta> | i see one planting, shown on the map occupying the same geometry as the "Figs" area |
| [16:57:53] | <TimC_> | yep, then i added a transplant log or three with the geometry of the row |
| [16:58:23] | <TimC_> | https://threefoldfarm.farmos.net/log/6 |
| [16:58:40] | <TimC_> | so how do i get that geometry to show on the page you referenced? |
| [16:58:46] | <mstenta> | Ok yup I see... |
| [16:59:02] | <mstenta> | So I think if you delete this log: https://threefoldfarm.farmos.net/log/5 |
| [16:59:04] | <mstenta> | That should do it |
| [16:59:20] | <mstenta> | It may be that https://threefoldfarm.farmos.net/log/5 is taking precedence over https://threefoldfarm.farmos.net/log/6 |
| [16:59:26] | <mstenta> | Because they have the exact same timestamp |
| [16:59:34] | <TimC_> | okay, i did it |
| [16:59:36] | <mstenta> | You can also delete two of the transplanting logs |
| [16:59:40] | <TimC_> | reload the page, it's showing the world :-) |
| [17:00:04] | <mstenta> | OH! |
| [17:00:05] | <mstenta> | I know... |
| [17:00:16] | <mstenta> | It's because the transplanting logs don't have a "Movement To" field filled in |
| [17:00:24] | <mstenta> | that's required in order for them to be recognized as movements |
| [17:00:46] | <mstenta> | So in your case, you would set "Movement To" to "Figs" |
| [17:00:57] | <mstenta> | And then the "Movement Geometry" would be the more specific polygon |
| [17:01:02] | <mstenta> | But you always need the "To" filled in |
| [17:01:12] | <TimC_> | Boom |
| [17:01:15] | <TimC_> | there we go |
| [17:01:21] | <mstenta> | Yes! |
| [17:01:22] | <mstenta> | Great :-) |
| [17:01:28] | <TimC_> | okay thanks, that was confusing |
| [17:01:32] | <mstenta> | Yea... need to make that whole thing more intuitive |
| [17:01:39] | <TimC_> | i thought by selecting geometry that i was showing the "To" location |
| [17:02:20] | <TimC_> | for an orchard, each asset should really have an almost permanent location (like a row geometry) |
| [17:02:55] | <mstenta> | Yup |
| [17:03:04] | <mstenta> | And you could even put in a specific point for each tree if you wanted |
| [17:03:11] | <mstenta> | If you had each tree as a separate planting |
| [17:03:18] | <mstenta> | But that might be overkill |
| [17:03:26] | <mstenta> | It's up to you how granular you want to get though |
| [17:03:37] | <TimC_> | right, i may do that in our tree nursery area as a sort of landscaping log in case plant tags are lost |
| [17:03:47] | <TimC_> | i was thinking of that during your presentation |
| [17:03:48] | <mstenta> | Yea that makes sense |
| [17:04:10] | <mstenta> | Ah! You're Tim! |
| [17:04:15] | <mstenta> | Just put two and two together :-) |
| [17:04:36] | <TimC_> | would it make sense to be able to define a geometry when creating a planting? i think that'd be the ideal here (in my use case) |
| [17:04:51] | <mstenta> | Haha sorry it's been a hectic day :-) |
| [17:05:10] | <mstenta> | Yea, that would be helpful. It would be a good next step feature request too |
| [17:05:24] | <mstenta> | We basically started with just assets, and you had to create the movement log separate |
| [17:05:37] | <mstenta> | Then I created the "Location" field as a shortcut, so you could create the planting AND the log at the same time |
| [17:05:42] | <TimC_> | not a problem, i hope i'm not coming across as critical, i really like the project and wanted to give you some perspective as an orchardist creating a layout |
| [17:05:48] | <mstenta> | But that doesn't cover the more specific geometries yet |
| [17:05:54] | <mstenta> | Yea of course! |
| [17:05:57] | <mstenta> | All input is welcome |
| [17:09:42] | <mstenta> | Another thing to notice... |
| [17:09:55] | <mstenta> | On the dashboard map, if you click the "Figs" area, you'll see "Plantings: 1" |
| [17:14:07] | <TimC_> | ah, yep, saw that, that's cool |
| [17:15:24] | <TimC_> | quitting time, thanks for your help! i don't think i would have figured out that "To" location issue on my own |
| [17:15:41] | <mstenta> | cool - yea i'm going to sign off for a bit too |
| [17:15:43] | <mstenta> | happy to help! |
| [17:15:48] | <mstenta> | talk to you soon! |
| [17:15:50] | <TimC_> | i entered an "Issue" with some thoughts, have a good evening! |
| [17:15:59] | <mstenta> | great thanks i'll take a look |
| [17:16:01] | <mstenta> | you too! |