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| [20:14:06] | <wizzyrea> | ACTION waves |
| [20:17:46] | <mstenta> | ACTION waves back at wizzyrea |
| [20:17:51] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [20:18:05] | <wizzyrea> | ACTION realises it's probably pretty late for you |
| [20:18:14] | <mstenta> | 8:18pm |
| [20:18:18] | <mstenta> | you? |
| [20:18:20] | <wizzyrea> | oh, that's not terrible |
| [20:18:30] | <wizzyrea> | 14:18pm :) |
| [20:18:36] | <wizzyrea> | (tomorrow) |
| [20:18:58] | <mstenta> | ACTION wonders what tomorrow is like |
| [20:19:18] | <wizzyrea> | sunny, chilly-ish, for summer. |
| [20:19:39] | <wizzyrea> | just curious, is farmos backed by any companies? or hosted as a service by anybody? |
| [20:19:41] | <mstenta> | mmm sounds nice :-) |
| [20:19:58] | <wizzyrea> | or is it basically a community thing |
| [20:20:12] | <mstenta> | not backed by any companies currently... just a pet project of mine, with a few other people starting to join the effort |
| [20:20:23] | <wizzyrea> | (I work on Koha Library Software, at a company that supports only open source stuff) |
| [20:20:28] | <mstenta> | and I made farmier.com for hosting services |
| [20:20:41] | <mstenta> | cool! |
| [20:21:42] | <wizzyrea> | It's New Zealand and we own our own cloud, I thought it might be neat to offer farmOS as a service, as we do heaps of drupal stuff already |
| [20:21:52] | <wizzyrea> | and NZ has heaps of farmers with complicated farms |
| [20:22:14] | <wizzyrea> | so just trying to find out more about it |
| [20:22:45] | <mstenta> | cool! you came to the right place :-) |
| [20:24:36] | <mstenta> | ah you are "the drift and dream" on twitter! |
| [20:24:41] | <wizzyrea> | I am! |
| [20:24:47] | <mstenta> | i just liked your post :-) |
| [20:24:52] | <wizzyrea> | ha :D |
| [20:25:12] | <wizzyrea> | yes this username follows me around ^.^ |
| [20:25:24] | <mstenta> | i'm @getfarmier aka Mike Stenta - the guy behind farmOS |
| [20:25:41] | <wizzyrea> | very nice to meet you :) |
| [20:25:46] | <mstenta> | you as well :-) |
| [20:28:00] | <wizzyrea> | so what is your uptake like? any idea about how many installed instances you have out there in the wild world? |
| [20:28:05] | <mstenta> | nice to meet someone familiar with drupal! what kinds of work do you do? |
| [20:28:20] | <wizzyrea> | https://www.koha-community.org I work on this |
| [20:28:33] | <wizzyrea> | it has 0 to do with drupal ^.^ |
| [20:28:39] | <wizzyrea> | but others in our company do drupal websites |
| [20:28:47] | <wizzyrea> | for example http://maoritv.co.nz |
| [20:28:52] | <mstenta> | http://drupal.org/project/farm has usage stats - it's a pretty good gauge |
| [20:28:56] | <wizzyrea> | er no |
| [20:29:01] | <wizzyrea> | ha |
| [20:29:16] | <wizzyrea> | http://www.maoritelevision.com/ |
| [20:29:20] | <wizzyrea> | that one. sheesh., |
| [20:29:33] | <mstenta> | the project is still very new - and only recently became stable enough that i started telling people about it |
| [20:29:45] | <mstenta> | but the response has been very good in the past few weeks alone! |
| [20:30:11] | <wizzyrea> | yeah, it feels to me like a thing that lots of people would want to use |
| [20:30:30] | <wizzyrea> | and I reckon, though I don't know specifically, that proprietary solutions to this same problem are wicked, stupid expensive. |
| [20:30:44] | <mstenta> | very cool! my friend's mom works in a library system here in the USA - and she is interested in Drupal - I'll share that with her! |
| [20:31:16] | <wizzyrea> | oh? where does she work? |
| [20:31:22] | <mstenta> | yea! are you familiar with farmhack.org? |
| [20:31:24] | <wizzyrea> | I'd probably know if it was a Koha library |
| [20:31:27] | <wizzyrea> | hm, no |
| [20:31:42] | <wizzyrea> | oh now that is neat |
| [20:32:04] | <mstenta> | yea - all kinds of open source tools for farmers, by farmers |
| [20:32:06] | <wizzyrea> | yessss |
| [20:32:09] | <wizzyrea> | I approve of this. |
| [20:32:12] | <mstenta> | :-D |
| [20:32:27] | <mstenta> | perhaps a NZ farm hack meetup is in order! ;-) |
| [20:32:32] | <wizzyrea> | hehe |
| [20:32:37] | <wizzyrea> | that would be a reason to visit ;) |
| [20:32:43] | <mstenta> | i would love to |
| [20:33:33] | <wizzyrea> | NZ has what's called the "number 8 wire" mentality - meaning that people here can fix almost anything with some number 8 wire. It's like our version of fixing things with duct tape. |
| [20:34:16] | <mstenta> | haha that's great |
| [20:34:26] | <wizzyrea> | I feel like farming, like libraries |
| [20:34:35] | <mstenta> | i'm going to use that phrase... and people will wonder what i'm talking about :-) unless they are kiwis |
| [20:34:54] | <wizzyrea> | is a sphere where FOSS could really be so very valuable |
| [20:35:12] | <wizzyrea> | https://catalyst.net.nz is the company I work for |
| [20:35:51] | <mstenta> | (when i was ~20 i worked in Yosemite National Park as a housekeeper (college job) and there was someone staying there from NZ, and she made a point to explain to me that New Zealanders referred to themselves as kiwis - stuck with me) :-) |
| [20:36:07] | <wizzyrea> | yep, true fact |
| [20:36:22] | <mstenta> | yes, absolutely - and so many farmers are already open source wizards |
| [20:36:48] | <mstenta> | in many ways they emodied the ideals of open source long before software ever existed |
| [20:36:52] | <mstenta> | embodied* |
| [20:36:57] | <wizzyrea> | yep, tis true. |
| [20:37:12] | <mstenta> | it is a natural progression |
| [20:38:11] | <mstenta> | anyway - i'm making farmOS to help with my own records, but i am also building it as a generalized Drupal distribution so that others can benefit as well |
| [20:38:30] | <mstenta> | and farmier.com is a hosting service - which i hope will help to support my time eventually |
| [20:39:23] | <wizzyrea> | yeah, that sounds about like every successful foss project ever :) |
| [20:39:35] | <mstenta> | i hope so ;-) |
| [20:39:42] | <wizzyrea> | "I have an itch. I shall scratch it. What, you have that itch too? Here, have my scratcher!" |
| [20:39:56] | <wizzyrea> | everyone wins. |
| [20:40:00] | <mstenta> | yea! because this scratcher can be copied for free |
| [20:40:28] | <wizzyrea> | Koha was started because a library in NZ had a y2k bug in their current system, and none of the proprietary ones fit their use case |
| [20:40:43] | <mstenta> | pretty cool if you think about it... we are the Ctrl+C Ctrl+V generation |
| [20:40:43] | <wizzyrea> | so they wrote a new library system from scratch, and open sourced it |
| [20:41:02] | <mstenta> | that's awesome! |
| [20:41:29] | <wizzyrea> | and now it's in libraries around the world. There is always a Koha library in the sun. |
| [20:41:30] | <mstenta> | i'm not very familiar with the inner workings of libraries - what kinds of stuff does it do? |
| [20:42:06] | <wizzyrea> | https://ihc.mykoha.co.nz/ for example |
| [20:42:13] | <wizzyrea> | it hosts the online catalogue |
| [20:42:21] | <wizzyrea> | and for the library staff |
| [20:42:26] | <wizzyrea> | manages inventory and circulation |
| [20:42:33] | <wizzyrea> | keeps track of library users |
| [20:42:47] | <wizzyrea> | automates things like printing spine labels and barcodes |
| [20:42:58] | <wizzyrea> | so, if you walk into a library |
| [20:43:06] | <wizzyrea> | pick up a book, and take it to the desk |
| [20:43:12] | <wizzyrea> | the beep beep boop the librarian does |
| [20:43:23] | <wizzyrea> | that's them circulating the book to you |
| [20:43:30] | <wizzyrea> | and koha is the software that manages that |
| [20:43:30] | <mstenta> | wow |
| [20:43:34] | <wizzyrea> | (for some libraries) |
| [20:43:36] | <mstenta> | that's great! |
| [20:43:38] | <wizzyrea> | (well lots of them.) |
| [20:44:12] | <wizzyrea> | Koha is almost 16 years old now. :) |
| [20:44:21] | <mstenta> | impressive! |
| [20:44:30] | <wizzyrea> | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| [20:44:32] | <mstenta> | have you been involved the whole time? |
| [20:44:39] | <wizzyrea> | only since ~2008 |
| [20:44:52] | <wizzyrea> | but I work with the guy who originally wrote it. :) |
| [20:44:53] | <mstenta> | that's a long time! |
| [20:45:18] | <mstenta> | and it's sponsored by various libraries who use it? |
| [20:45:34] | <wizzyrea> | yep, various libraries and there are support companies around the world who support it |
| [20:45:47] | <wizzyrea> | (I used to work in a library, now I work for a support company) |
| [20:46:02] | <wizzyrea> | but no one actually gets paid directly to work on Koha |
| [20:46:16] | <wizzyrea> | Koha the software exists outside of any commercial entity |
| [20:46:36] | <wizzyrea> | that dashboard. we have a student who likes to change the theme on it |
| [20:46:42] | <wizzyrea> | right now it's decorated for christmas lol. |
| [20:46:55] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [20:47:31] | <mstenta> | cool - that's how i am approaching farmOS too - I decided to make farmOS.org and farmier.com separate entities - because the project itself should be independent |
| [20:47:42] | <wizzyrea> | *nod* that's how we did it with Koha |
| [20:48:03] | <wizzyrea> | some day there will be a foundation that "owns" it |
| [20:48:04] | <wizzyrea> | but not yet |
| [20:48:13] | <mstenta> | that's what i'm thinking too |
| [20:48:24] | <mstenta> | "farmOS Foundation" has a nice ring to it ;-) |
| [20:48:28] | <wizzyrea> | :) |
| [20:48:43] | <wizzyrea> | there are ones you can join like the SFC or ... gah what's the other one I can never remember it |
| [20:48:54] | <wizzyrea> | nope it's gone. |
| [20:48:57] | <wizzyrea> | meh. |
| [20:49:07] | <mstenta> | oh yea... organizations that manage FOSS project you mean? |
| [20:49:09] | <mstenta> | like apache |
| [20:49:42] | <wizzyrea> | apache is another one |
| [20:51:34] | <mstenta> | so regarding your tweet... about high speed internet access... |
| [20:51:43] | <mstenta> | i agree - that is a hurdle currently |
| [20:51:49] | <mstenta> | but i believe it's a temporary one |
| [20:51:54] | <wizzyrea> | oh yes, it would be in nz as well |
| [20:52:34] | <mstenta> | i believe that internet access will be 100% pervasive soon |
| [20:52:50] | <mstenta> | it may take some years - but not long |
| [20:53:41] | <mstenta> | even so - it is probably worth investing some time in offline capabilities in farmOS |
| [20:53:49] | <mstenta> | using HTML5 localstorage, probably |
| [20:53:49] | <wizzyrea> | in NZ you can get mobile just about everywhere |
| [20:54:19] | <wizzyrea> | well I'm not sure about the more rural areas of the south island actually... there are some reeeallly remote places. |
| [20:54:23] | <mstenta> | yea, availability is good in the US, too... but there are still a lot of rural areas that are spotty |
| [20:54:30] | <mstenta> | yea same here |
| [20:54:40] | <mstenta> | but i think that's temporary |
| [20:55:11] | <mstenta> | the internet is such a revolutionary force - it makes sense that it will eventually be available everywhere |
| [20:55:24] | <wizzyrea> | assuming the politicians don't destroy it ( |
| [20:55:25] | <wizzyrea> | :( |
| [20:55:28] | <mstenta> | yes |
| [20:55:30] | <mstenta> | assuming that |
| [20:55:32] | <mstenta> | :-/ |
| [20:56:31] | <mstenta> | ACTION doesn't want to think about american politics anymore... too much craziness right now |
| [20:56:52] | <wizzyrea> | from afar, it makes our faces go O.O |
| [20:57:01] | <mstenta> | from up close, it's even worse |
| [20:57:29] | <wizzyrea> | working on FOSS is by nature a subversive act :) |
| [20:57:49] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [20:57:58] | <mstenta> | i wish it weren't |
| [20:58:04] | <mstenta> | it makes too much sense |
| [20:58:07] | <wizzyrea> | yeah it ought not to be. |
| [20:58:32] | <wizzyrea> | it feels like in reality, it's the default mode of humanity though. Give a little, take a little. |
| [20:58:33] | <mstenta> | again... temporary... all of this... |
| [20:58:38] | <mstenta> | (hopefully) |
| [20:58:53] | <wizzyrea> | yep, hopefully |
| [20:59:17] | <wizzyrea> | ... there's a FOSS project for beehives. |
| [20:59:23] | <wizzyrea> | THE THINGS I LEARN. |
| [20:59:26] | <wizzyrea> | jebus. |
| [20:59:35] | <mstenta> | yes! opensourcebeehives.org? |
| [20:59:59] | <wizzyrea> | .net but yes |
| [21:00:05] | <mstenta> | oops .net |
| [21:00:06] | <mstenta> | yes |
| [21:00:13] | <wizzyrea> | sensor enhanced beehives! we live in the future! |
| [21:00:18] | <mstenta> | yeaaaaa! |
| [21:00:18] | <wizzyrea> | \o/ |
| [21:00:24] | <mstenta> | you should check out openpipekit.org |
| [21:00:29] | <mstenta> | by my friend RJ |
| [21:00:44] | <mstenta> | it's a project to make it easier to set up sensor devices |
| [21:00:55] | <wizzyrea> | oh, like yahoo pipes for sensors |
| [21:00:57] | <wizzyrea> | neat |
| [21:01:07] | <mstenta> | we have a module in farmOS called Farm Sensor, which can accept data from OPK sensors over HTTP |
| [21:01:19] | <wizzyrea> | that is sweet as |
| [21:01:40] | <mstenta> | so you can set up a bunch of sensors on your farm, and enter them all into farmOS, and each of them can collect and display data |
| [21:01:44] | <mstenta> | all DIY ;-) |
| [21:01:51] | <wizzyrea> | \o/ |
| [21:02:03] | <wizzyrea> | number 8 wire ;) |
| [21:02:33] | <mstenta> | OH ... also... (since you seem interested)... we have a Farm MapKnitter module so you can create your own aerial photography (using a drone/balloon/kite) and see it in you maps in farmOS |
| [21:03:07] | <mstenta> | using mapknitter.org to stitch the images together into a map layer |
| [21:03:33] | <mstenta> | http://farmier.com/newsletter/2015/08/25/farmos-beta-5-mapknitter-ui-api... |
| [21:03:38] | <wizzyrea> | NZ farmers would be all over that. As most of them depend on teh googlez for that kind of stuff |
| [21:03:59] | <mstenta> | yea, google maps is the base layer in farmOS - but the mapknitter layer is displayed on top of that |
| [21:04:20] | <mstenta> | (but because it's Drupal + Openlayers modules, you can customize it even more ... almost any map layer can be used) |
| [21:04:29] | <wizzyrea> | ya neat |
| [21:07:40] | <wizzyrea> | https://twitter.com/ranginui this'll be the original Koha developer - he's like the you of #kohails |
| [21:08:26] | <mstenta> | cool! perhaps i will pick his brain sometime about running a big FOSS project :-) |
| [21:08:46] | <mstenta> | it was great talking to you! i think i'm going to settle down for the evening... |
| [21:08:52] | <wizzyrea> | you should. We've done plenty of things wrong in kohails, but we've done lots and lots of things right. |
| [21:09:39] | <mstenta> | thanks for sharing that with me - perhaps i'll talk to you again soon! either here or on twitter ;-) |
| [21:09:50] | <mstenta> | fyi i am very new to twitter... this is the first time i've really started using it |
| [21:09:52] | <wizzyrea> | (for example, we got aggressively forked in ~2009, and the company that did it basically stole our domain) |
| [21:10:00] | <mstenta> | wow yikes |
| [21:10:05] | <wizzyrea> | yeah it was pants. |
| [21:10:26] | <wizzyrea> | oh, twitter is fun as long as you curate your feed and don't let assholes in ^.^ |
| [21:10:28] | <mstenta> | ACTION is unfamiliar with the phrase "it was pants" but likes it :-) |
| [21:10:34] | <wizzyrea> | hehe |
| [21:10:42] | <wizzyrea> | highly unpleasant? |
| [21:11:01] | <mstenta> | yea, i can imagine it was very pants |
| [21:11:22] | <wizzyrea> | they still have our domain. they're just holding it out of spite now. |
| [21:11:26] | <mstenta> | wow |
| [21:11:35] | <mstenta> | that's just bad |
| [21:11:44] | <wizzyrea> | yeah they were bad sorts. |
| [21:12:23] | <mstenta> | is that this one? http://www.koha.org/ |
| [21:12:42] | <wizzyrea> | yep, that is not ours. |
| [21:12:51] | <mstenta> | :-( |
| [21:12:56] | <mstenta> | what a bunch of jerks |
| [21:13:05] | <wizzyrea> | so yeah, handle your trademarks |
| [21:13:34] | <wizzyrea> | you're lucky I reckon because it's all held by you |
| [21:14:44] | <mstenta> | such a shame... were they members of the community? or just swooped in and started a new fork out of the blue? |
| [21:15:01] | <wizzyrea> | they were actually instrumental in getting version 3.0 out the door |
| [21:15:24] | <wizzyrea> | then 3.2 kept getting delayed and delayed because they wanted features |
| [21:15:40] | <wizzyrea> | and then the company was bought by another company |
| [21:15:45] | <wizzyrea> | and they were the aggressive ones |
| [21:16:19] | <mstenta> | wow |
| [21:16:38] | <wizzyrea> | the community didn't like their approach to, well anything. |
| [21:16:49] | <wizzyrea> | so they went their own way |
| [21:16:54] | <mstenta> | hmm |
| [21:17:01] | <wizzyrea> | forking, in itself |
| [21:17:03] | <wizzyrea> | isn't a big deal |
| [21:17:11] | <wizzyrea> | trying to take the name? that's a big deal. |
| [21:17:40] | <wizzyrea> | there's a lot of drama in there. it's been years now, we call it "the troubles" |
| [21:17:41] | <mstenta> | yea - that's aggressive |
| [21:17:42] | <wizzyrea> | lol. |
| [21:17:59] | <wizzyrea> | but, we made it through |
| [21:18:15] | <wizzyrea> | and now we've had 10 releases to their 2 |
| [21:18:21] | <mstenta> | good! |
| [21:18:23] | <wizzyrea> | over 100 new developers to their 0 |
| [21:18:29] | <mstenta> | :-D |
| [21:18:34] | <wizzyrea> | so I think we're doing alright. :) |
| [21:18:37] | <mstenta> | community wins in the end |
| [21:18:47] | <wizzyrea> | yep, for sure |
| [21:19:46] | <mstenta> | well i'm going to start the bedtime process... |
| [21:19:53] | <wizzyrea> | yes, that's important |
| [21:19:58] | <mstenta> | it was very nice talking to you @wizzyrea |
| [21:19:58] | <wizzyrea> | sleep well, the future is safe. |
| [21:20:05] | <mstenta> | :-) |
| [21:20:10] | <wizzyrea> | yep very nice to chat |
| [21:20:17] | <mstenta> | have a wonderful sunny (but chilly) summer day |
| [21:20:22] | <wizzyrea> | hehe |
| [21:20:43] | <mstenta> | talk to you later! |
| [21:20:44] | <mstenta> | goodnight! |
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