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| [12:28:14] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, hey man... i'm going to two Mother Earth News fairs.. one coming up in April 11-12 and the other in Sept 18-20 |
| [12:28:28] | <andygraybeal> | I wonder if you thought about going to these? |
| [12:29:05] | <andygraybeal> | there are 4 of them, North Carolina, Oregon, Wisconsin, Pennysylvania and Kansas... I'm ong to the North Carolina and PA one |
| [12:29:09] | <andygraybeal> | *ones |
| [13:23:29] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, what up |
| [13:23:42] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, did your alert break? :) |
| [13:23:51] | <mstenta> | hi andygraybeal |
| [13:23:58] | <andygraybeal> | hey..!!!! |
| [13:24:03] | <mstenta> | no, i was just away from the screen for a bot |
| [13:24:05] | <mstenta> | bit* |
| [13:24:09] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [13:24:11] | <mstenta> | boiling some maple sap outside |
| [13:24:15] | <andygraybeal> | nice!!!!!!!! |
| [13:24:18] | <andygraybeal> | i'm jelly man |
| [13:24:28] | <mstenta> | yea! second batch this year |
| [13:24:34] | <mstenta> | (first year i've ever done it) |
| [13:24:41] | <andygraybeal> | i been digging up johnson grass rhizomes |
| [13:25:00] | <andygraybeal> | and working for this tool wholesaler.. and trying to keep my marriage from falling apart |
| [13:25:26] | <mstenta> | aw man |
| [13:25:31] | <andygraybeal> | yea, it's good though |
| [13:25:38] | <andygraybeal> | she's gone for the weekend.. with the kid in tow |
| [13:25:43] | <andygraybeal> | so i'm batchin it |
| [13:25:48] | <mstenta> | little break time |
| [13:25:49] | <andygraybeal> | yea |
| [13:25:59] | <mstenta> | that's good |
| [13:26:08] | <andygraybeal> | i'm writing up quotes for my buddies new garden store ove in WV |
| [13:26:16] | <mstenta> | cool |
| [13:26:24] | <mstenta> | i'm packing up the beta1 of farmOS! :-) |
| [13:26:28] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [13:26:41] | <andygraybeal> | you should get a boooth at Mothe Earth man.. .flaunt that softwae |
| [13:26:49] | <mstenta> | haha yea one day... |
| [13:26:54] | <andygraybeal> | my keyboard is on strike |
| [13:27:12] | <andygraybeal> | i need to clean it i guess |
| [13:27:22] | <mstenta> | hey do you have an email? i have a newsletter for farmOS news if you're interested (PM me your address) |
| [13:27:33] | <andygraybeal> | one day.. yea. like this april.. go to Asheville.. or in Sept. go to PA |
| [13:27:34] | <mstenta> | i don't send very often, but i'll send an update with this release |
| [13:27:42] | <andygraybeal> | andy@knivesandchives.com |
| [13:27:47] | <andygraybeal> | thanks man |
| [13:27:50] | <mstenta> | awesome thanks! |
| [13:27:59] | <mstenta> | look out for an email later today ;-) |
| [13:28:18] | <andygraybeal> | come to MEN in april or sept!!! |
| [13:28:33] | <andygraybeal> | i'll be there we can hang out and shit |
| [13:28:46] | <andygraybeal> | i'll be sharpening tools and shit |
| [13:28:56] | <andygraybeal> | i'd love to see some live data in the software |
| [13:29:41] | <andygraybeal> | i bet you'd be a hit at MEN and get a lot of new accounts |
| [13:29:44] | <mstenta> | that would be cool |
| [13:30:05] | <andygraybeal> | you come up with a price structure yet? |
| [13:30:05] | <mstenta> | i need to get my act together... haha |
| [13:30:12] | <mstenta> | not much of a salesman |
| [13:30:23] | <andygraybeal> | naw.. just be a dev. the sales will happen |
| [13:30:47] | <mstenta> | actually, lately i've been giving some thought to seeing if i can get sponsors, and give farmOS away for free |
| [13:30:47] | <andygraybeal> | i'm selling tools man... farmos is a tool as far as i'm concerned... maybe i could push it at our booth!!! |
| [13:31:23] | <andygraybeal> | give me some swag and i'll push it |
| [13:31:26] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [13:31:32] | <mstenta> | i should get some swag |
| [13:31:43] | <mstenta> | what would make good farmOS swag? |
| [13:31:50] | <mstenta> | magnets? |
| [13:31:53] | <andygraybeal> | hahaha |
| [13:31:54] | <mstenta> | beer koozie? |
| [13:31:55] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [13:31:59] | <andygraybeal> | seed packets |
| [13:32:04] | <mstenta> | oooh good idea |
| [13:32:06] | <andygraybeal> | hook up with fedco |
| [13:32:20] | <andygraybeal> | fedco is one of my accounts |
| [13:32:28] | <andygraybeal> | i also order seed from them |
| [13:32:40] | <mstenta> | awesome |
| [13:32:44] | <andygraybeal> | bro.. give me a tablet with live data on it and i will demo it |
| [13:32:44] | <mstenta> | that's a really good idea |
| [13:32:51] | <mstenta> | haha |
| [13:33:14] | <mstenta> | how about we set you up with a site and you can plug some data in? |
| [13:33:30] | <andygraybeal> | that's fine but i set it up and i suck at it man |
| [13:33:42] | <mstenta> | suck at what? |
| [13:34:03] | <andygraybeal> | i can't remember where i left off |
| [13:34:18] | <andygraybeal> | i will start it back up this weekend with questions... it was during your irc hiatus |
| [13:34:41] | <mstenta> | alright, well i'd be happy to host one for you, just let me know |
| [13:34:50] | <andygraybeal> | between the kid, johnson grass rhizome harvesting, and this tool wholesale and my lady.. ihaven't had much time |
| [13:35:09] | <andygraybeal> | now, it's cool - it runs great on ubuntu 14.04 -- i couldnt get it to run on 12.04 |
| [13:35:26] | <andygraybeal> | it's got it's own linode and everything |
| [13:35:33] | <mstenta> | wow fancy! :-) |
| [13:35:55] | <andygraybeal> | cut throat!~ |
| [13:36:07] | <andygraybeal> | i don't have a tablet |
| [13:36:14] | <andygraybeal> | i need a tablet to demo |
| [13:36:22] | <andygraybeal> | or a bit touch screen |
| [13:36:24] | <andygraybeal> | big |
| [13:37:03] | <mstenta> | yea i need a tablet |
| [13:37:07] | <mstenta> | it's about time |
| [13:37:21] | <andygraybeal> | i opted to using cropplanner again, i told you already |
| [13:37:24] | <mstenta> | i live at the bleeding edge of software, but in the stoneage for hardware |
| [13:37:32] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. i can't afford hardware |
| [13:37:48] | <mstenta> | my cell phone screen is completely shattered |
| [13:37:56] | <andygraybeal> | i dun even have one to shatter!!! |
| [13:37:56] | <mstenta> | i just put some packing tape across it and it still works :-) |
| [13:38:00] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [13:39:25] | <andygraybeal> | what is possible to demo with it as it is or by sept? |
| [13:39:51] | <andygraybeal> | i know you got big plans for it, but it doen't have crop planning yet |
| [13:40:01] | <andygraybeal> | what is solid in it? |
| [13:40:15] | <mstenta> | it has SOME crop planning, but yea not nearly enough |
| [13:40:27] | <mstenta> | i use it daily for tracking egg collection from my chickens |
| [13:40:31] | <mstenta> | and all the chickens have records |
| [13:40:44] | <mstenta> | i can create observation logs when somethign happens, and attach pictures from my phone |
| [13:41:08] | <mstenta> | a chicken got attacked by a falcon the other day, so i recorded that, and recorded the movement from the flock to a little quarantine box while she healed |
| [13:41:20] | <mstenta> | movement, observations, and activities are all working log types |
| [13:41:21] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [13:41:42] | <andygraybeal> | have you looked at cropplanner yet? |
| [13:41:51] | <andygraybeal> | that stuff is great... but not scaleable!!! |
| [13:42:07] | <andygraybeal> | it's like.. desktop based / one user oriented. |
| [13:42:24] | <andygraybeal> | which means it's practically not usable |
| [13:42:34] | <mstenta> | asset types include: Plantings, Animals, Equipment |
| [13:42:41] | <mstenta> | Equipment can have maintenence logs |
| [13:42:48] | <andygraybeal> | nice |
| [13:42:56] | <mstenta> | Plantings can have Seedings, Transplantings, Inputs, and Harvest |
| [13:43:08] | <mstenta> | (in addition to Activities, Observations, and Movements, which all assets get) |
| [13:43:17] | <andygraybeal> | okay. |
| [13:43:26] | <mstenta> | logs can be marked as "Done" when they are done |
| [13:43:27] | <andygraybeal> | we should get together and you train me on this |
| [13:43:38] | <mstenta> | and it will show you a list of "Late tasks" if a log goes by and isn't marked done |
| [13:43:47] | <mstenta> | so it CAN be used for crop planning |
| [13:43:47] | <andygraybeal> | so your thinking about farmier accounts going for free if you get sponsership?? |
| [13:43:59] | <mstenta> | it just requires a lot of data entry at this point... but I'd like to streamline it |
| [13:44:12] | <mstenta> | i'm thinking free instances of farmOS with sponsorship |
| [13:44:17] | <mstenta> | hosted by farmier |
| [13:45:16] | <andygraybeal> | what is sponsorship exacty? |
| [13:46:04] | <mstenta> | not exactly sure yet, but it would need to at least pay for the hosting cost of many sites |
| [13:46:40] | <mstenta> | but maybe i could start small, get some sponsorship, and open up a limited number of free slots on a first come first serve, or invite basis |
| [13:46:55] | <mstenta> | i think ultimately farmOS should be free for all |
| [13:47:16] | <mstenta> | but i need to make sure i can afford that, because there are costs involved with hosting, backups, upgrades, etc |
| [13:47:18] | <andygraybeal> | well farmos should be free i agree.. but i like you model with farmier |
| [13:47:22] | <mstenta> | and that doesn't include development at all |
| [13:47:25] | <andygraybeal> | pay for the farmmier accounts |
| [13:47:35] | <mstenta> | yea? |
| [13:47:45] | <mstenta> | maybe i'll do that too... |
| [13:47:54] | <andygraybeal> | i'm so confused.... :) |
| [13:47:55] | <mstenta> | i guess i need to start with that probably |
| [13:48:04] | <andygraybeal> | can you give me an example of sponsorship? |
| [13:48:39] | <mstenta> | sure, I guess what I have in mind is a big organization (like Fedco) committing to provide $X per year to host farmOS sites |
| [13:48:49] | <andygraybeal> | if you can get cropplanning down (just like cropplanner app does) and scheduled maintenance i can get you an account |
| [13:49:07] | <mstenta> | scheduled equipment maintenence? |
| [13:49:07] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, okay - i understand and we are thinking the same manner. |
| [13:49:51] | <mstenta> | you can already schedule equipment maintenance... just create maintenance logs in the future |
| [13:49:53] | <andygraybeal> | yea, preventive maintenance schedule .. is what it is called |
| [13:50:00] | <andygraybeal> | ah rock on |
| [13:50:14] | <mstenta> | but i think you also talked about having automatically repeating tasks that auto-generate in the future... don't have that (yet) |
| [13:50:19] | <andygraybeal> | yes yes |
| [13:50:24] | <mstenta> | you still have to manually create tasks |
| [13:50:49] | <mstenta> | but you could easily create "Change oil in mower" and schedule a bunch of them like that in the future |
| [13:50:52] | <andygraybeal> | every 6 mos, oil change in irrigation engine; |
| [13:51:03] | <mstenta> | and I'm going to add a "Clone log" button soon, so you can make one, and then copy it over and over |
| [13:51:07] | <andygraybeal> | i understand |
| [13:51:32] | <mstenta> | "Logs" are the primary record keeping entity in the system |
| [13:51:35] | <mstenta> | 1 log = 1 task |
| [13:52:07] | <andygraybeal> | can you look into some 'repeat meetings' with scheduling software code on other drupal code? |
| [13:52:11] | <mstenta> | and each log has a "Date" field, for when it was/will be done, and a "Done" checkbox, so you can say "yea i did this" |
| [13:52:48] | <mstenta> | yea, there are definitely options for auto-generating future logs! especially in Drupal... just haven't built anything officially for farmOS yet |
| [13:53:05] | <mstenta> | this beta1 release is what introduced a standardized Date and Done field to the Log entity... so that was the first step |
| [13:53:16] | <mstenta> | but now the groundwork is layed for auto-scheduling |
| [13:53:18] | <mstenta> | just gotta do it :-) |
| [13:53:23] | <andygraybeal> | so all i have is like a drop down that says: "Every: (week, biweek, month, bimonth, half year, year) |
| [13:53:35] | <andygraybeal> | rock on!!! |
| [13:53:37] | <mstenta> | yea something like that |
| [13:53:39] | <andygraybeal> | yey |
| [13:53:50] | <andygraybeal> | yea.. i never have the best thoughts.. but i have like.. basic thoughts |
| [13:53:53] | <mstenta> | you need to get a tablet! |
| [13:53:55] | <andygraybeal> | enough to get the idea across |
| [13:54:06] | <mstenta> | i'm designing this for mobile use |
| [13:54:22] | <mstenta> | needs wifi tho... |
| [13:54:40] | <mstenta> | brb i need to eat some lunch... brain is starting to get very hungry |
| [13:54:51] | <andygraybeal> | yea. tablets are handy.. specialy for demo @ mothe eath news in april!!!!! |
| [13:55:00] | <andygraybeal> | imma demo your shit! |
| [13:55:24] | <andygraybeal> | i need to get a quote done |
| [13:55:40] | <andygraybeal> | we should meet and you can train my sorry ass better |
| [13:55:45] | <andygraybeal> | talking on irc is one thing..... |
| [13:58:57] | <mstenta> | yea definitely |
| [13:59:03] | <mstenta> | so where is it in April? |
| [14:00:55] | <mstenta> | brb chickens going nuts outside... |
| [14:05:10] | <andygraybeal> | asheville NC in april |
| [14:05:12] | <andygraybeal> | PA in sept |
| [14:08:13] | <andygraybeal> | if i could help get you accounts.. i wonder if i could get some cash for demoing at shows.. if it is worth it to you etc. |
| [14:08:41] | <andygraybeal> | if you need to think about it that is cool.. i'll do it for free cause i believe in the app for now anyway. |
| [14:08:59] | <andygraybeal> | i'm just happy something like this exists and is active dev. |
| [14:09:26] | <andygraybeal> | i don't htink cropplanning is active dev and is lacks the strongest things that yours has. |
| [14:09:46] | <mstenta> | thanks andygraybeal! that would be cool |
| [14:10:30] | <mstenta> | yea i really need to figure out how to get farmOS sponsored |
| [14:11:16] | <mstenta> | april's a little too close... and PA is physically closer, so maybe i'll try to go to that one |
| [14:11:30] | <andygraybeal> | cool |
| [14:11:36] | <andygraybeal> | is mmn a friend or fed? |
| [14:11:37] | <mstenta> | boom: official 1.0-beta1 release! https://www.drupal.org/node/2461053 |
| [14:11:41] | <andygraybeal> | haha nice |
| [14:11:50] | <mstenta> | haha fed? like federal agent? |
| [14:11:57] | <andygraybeal> | yea |
| [14:12:04] | <mstenta> | haha maybe |
| [14:12:07] | <andygraybeal> | shit |
| [14:12:09] | <mstenta> | mmn are you a fed? |
| [14:12:14] | <andygraybeal> | he hasn't spoken |
| [14:12:26] | <mstenta> | i spoke to him once |
| [14:12:28] | <andygraybeal> | i wondered if you knew him |
| [14:12:28] | <mstenta> | yesterday |
| [14:12:30] | <andygraybeal> | aah okay cool |
| [14:12:32] | <andygraybeal> | i missed it |
| [14:12:41] | <mstenta> | farmBOT: log pointer? |
| [14:12:41] | <farmBOT> | http://farmos.org/bot/log/farmos/2015-03-27#T3944 |
| [14:13:00] | <andygraybeal> | looks like i need access |
| [14:13:05] | <andygraybeal> | to see the logs |
| [14:13:09] | <andygraybeal> | i'm just kiddin anyways |
| [14:13:15] | <andygraybeal> | i wondered if you knew him |
| [14:13:35] | <andygraybeal> | yea, sept 19-20 PA |
| [14:13:41] | <mstenta> | ah dangit, access denied? cmon farmBOT! get with it |
| [14:13:45] | <andygraybeal> | er 20-21.. anyway sept 20 is my bday!!!! |
| [14:13:54] | <andygraybeal> | shits all up to 37 now |
| [14:14:51] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gonna post the announce on FB -- do you have a farmos account? |
| [14:15:01] | <andygraybeal> | to share? or should i just post the url? |
| [14:15:32] | <mstenta> | wow! |
| [14:15:44] | <mstenta> | on facebook? no |
| [14:15:51] | <andygraybeal> | k cool, i'll post hte url |
| [14:15:54] | <mstenta> | cool! |
| [14:18:29] | <mstenta> | man... we just got a puppy over the weekend |
| [14:18:38] | <mstenta> | he's great! but so hyper right now! |
| [14:19:17] | <andygraybeal> | sounds like my kid. i can't get anything done cause he always wants to play. |
| [14:19:19] | <andygraybeal> | i don't blame him |
| [14:19:28] | <andygraybeal> | or he wants me to read him a book. |
| [14:20:59] | <andygraybeal> | posted to #gardening and #permaculture here on freenode |
| [14:21:56] | <mstenta> | awesome! |
| [14:23:28] | <mstenta> | ok now i really need to eat |
| [14:23:32] | <mstenta> | talk to you later andygraybeal! |
| [14:23:43] | <andygraybeal> | hey cool thanks for chatting! |
| [17:19:56] | <andygraybeal> | fancy email! thanks! |
| [17:20:01] | <andygraybeal> | looks good |
| [17:36:04] | <mstenta> | thanks andygraybeal! :-) |
| [17:36:16] | <mstenta> | hopefully start to drum up some excitement! |
| [17:36:48] | <andygraybeal> | what do you think if i demo it at shows? good things? bad things? |
| [17:36:50] | <mstenta> | i figure most farmers are already into their planning for this season, but hopefully my email will plant a seed.... :-) |
| [17:37:07] | <mstenta> | i would love it if you wanted to demo at shows |
| [17:37:11] | <andygraybeal> | i'm gonna start going to shows and selling tools.. and i might as well advertise this |
| [18:14:59] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta, yea.. maybe we/you could come up with a design and we could vinyl print it out.. so i could have a small section of a booth with tablet in forefront and poster in background with selling points |
| [18:15:19] | <andygraybeal> | and get cards made with your info with seeds |
| [18:15:51] | <mstenta> | i think that's a great idea |
| [18:15:58] | <andygraybeal> | work something with fedco |
| [18:16:14] | <andygraybeal> | i can figure out if there is such a thing |
| [18:16:57] | <andygraybeal> | i'll email my fedco guy right now see what he says |
| [18:17:42] | <andygraybeal> | i'm not a design guy.. i can't cut and paste with the worse of them though.. i know how to work with raster and vector |
| [18:17:58] | <andygraybeal> | err i can cut and paste with the worse of them |
| [18:18:51] | <andygraybeal> | maybe fedco could have a little advertising space on the business card too like on the back with planting instructions |
| [18:22:19] | <andygraybeal> | google says this is a thing: |
| [18:22:20] | <andygraybeal> | https://www.google.com/search?q=seeds+in+business+cards&num=100&client=u... |
| [18:22:24] | <andygraybeal> | now to see if fedco can help |
| [18:31:30] | <mstenta> | sounds good! |
| [18:31:57] | <mstenta> | gotta run for a bit... sap still boiling... check on the chickens, etc etc |
| [18:33:18] | <andygraybeal> | cool, i just emailed the gy |
| [18:33:22] | <andygraybeal> | guy |
| [18:43:01] | * nosuni has joined #farmos |
| [18:45:30] | <mstenta> | hi nosuni, welcome to #farmOS :-) |
| [18:51:22] | <andygraybeal> | i like your name nosuni |
| [18:55:48] | <nosuni> | ty |
| [19:03:42] | <andygraybeal> | do you currently use any software to help around the garden? |
| [19:20:55] | <nosuni> | i use herb.iq to manage my cannabis grow :p |
| [19:32:33] | <andygraybeal> | imma look that up |
| [19:32:49] | <andygraybeal> | i never heard of it |
| [19:32:53] | <andygraybeal> | i've been using cropplanner |
| [19:33:05] | <andygraybeal> | and cutefarm |
| [19:35:31] | <andygraybeal> | mstenta plans to get sensor data integrated into farmos in the future :) i don't know if you use any sensors for your stuff. |
| [19:37:36] | <andygraybeal> | wow pretty specialized app, herb.iq :) |
| [19:37:49] | <andygraybeal> | looks like it could grow basil well. |
| [19:39:58] | <nosuni> | i would like to fully automate the grow |
| [19:40:13] | <nosuni> | with sensors and something like a raspberry pi |
| [19:40:34] | <nosuni> | that would be so cool :P |